USF1 -- F1's All-American Challenger

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what about my initial guess they have started to design a transverse unit but have decided to startoff with the Xtrac/Ricardo spec box ,saving a lot of recource here
just to make sure they will make the grid and possibly upgrade to the new box at the start of the european series?

Still nobody has published anything about the spec box .Damn sure the unit must be ready and already delivered to all teams ,so any comment from anyone ?

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I think I’ve posted the only comment from Xtrac on the new transmission (below). I’ve asked for image of the casing but have been politely, refused. So I can’t confirm if that is the Xtrac ‘box, I am guessing its not, since they have said they are not supplying USF1.

Also we are getting conflicting information from USF1. The CAD images from Racecar engineering magazine clearly showed a typical F1 rear damper set up , with the rockers pivoting longitudinally, thus placing the heave damper across the case. The case shown in the clip, uses vertical pivots, that places the heave damper in a different position. Again this is a dated set up, that is bulkier aerodynamically. Does anyone recognise this case from other American single seater series, is it just a dummy set up for the camera?

Xtrac to supply Campos, Lotus and Virgin F1 teams with complete transmission system
Xtrac, the transmission technology specialist and long-established supplier of gearbox components to almost every F1 team on the grid, will supply Campos Meta F1 and Lotus F1 Racing with its recently launched gearbox, designated as Project 1044, developed for the 2010 season. Including an aluminium casing, it’s Xtrac’s first total transmission system supplied into Formula One since 1996, when the company supplied complete gearboxes and not just the vital internal components. New team Virgin Racing will be using the entire Project 1044 internals kit in its own design of casing. All three F1 teams are racing with a Cosworth engine, for which the transmission was originally conceived as part of the FIA proposals put forward in 2008 to significantly reduce costs through the option of a standard powertrain. In the context of F1, where every component is normally designed and manufactured as a bespoke item, Xtrac’s “batch-produced” gearbox with common parts offers significant cost savings, while technically remaining highly competitive. It also benefits from an extensive rig and engine dynamometer test programme. With a contemporary longitudinal layout, commonly utilised in F1 gearboxes, the transmission can be easily adapted to other F1 engines. It positions the gear cluster forward of the differential to ensure excellent vehicle weight distribution, while meeting critical aerodynamic requirements at the rear of the vehicle. It’s also designed to be as compact as possible to help accommodate the larger fuel tank and tighter packaging requirements imposed by the 2010 regulations. At only approximately 40kg the basic architecture balances the usual requirements for low weight, reliability and robust performance. The design philosophy behind the internal components also benefits greatly from Xtrac’s extensive experience in F1 and as a leading designer and supplier of complete transmission systems to other major motorsport series around the world. Established for 25 years, Xtrac is a world leader in the design and manufacture of gearboxes, differentials and driveline components, which are used throughout motorsport and in particular within F1, IRL, Touring Cars, Rallying, Rally Raid, Grand Am and many forms of sportscar racing including a major involvement in the Le Mans 24 hour, Daytona 24 hour and Sebring 12 hour races. The company is also developing its non motorsport activities, with rapid growth in the defence and marine sectors. Further information on Xtrac is available atwww.xtrac.com.

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Roger the knife
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WhiteBlue wrote:
segedunum wrote:At the risk of repeating myself, have they actually crash tested this thing (whatever it is) yet rather than crumpling a nose into a wall to give the appearance?
To pass a front crash test when you have successfully done a nose test is just an exercise of logistics. I guess they simply don't have the necessary number of chassis yet to spare one for a test. Its another to do point with the side and rear impact structures. Having confirmed the nose though will give them confidence in their simulation methods.
The other aspect to remember is, that although all the major crash tests have to be done once, EVERY chassis has to pass the official squeeze tests.

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As posted elsewhere, the scheduled date for the USF1 test at Barber Motorsports Park is Feb 19th. I was at the park not too long ago and casually asked about it. I don't know the duration of the test but that is the start day.

I also hear that it doesn't look like USF1 will actually make it to the test.

Anyone know how to sneak into the park?
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It would be a real shame, after all this team has shown us, that they fail to make the grid in Bahrain.

Friday testing will be a most for USF1 and the other new teams..

With Rossi doing GP3 on F1 weekends it would be ideal if he does some testing along some with other experienced driver.. The problem is who.?

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Roger the knife wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote:To pass a front crash test when you have successfully done a nose test is just an exercise of logistics. I guess they simply don't have the necessary number of chassis yet to spare one for a test.
The other aspect to remember is, that although all the major crash tests have to be done once, EVERY chassis has to pass the official squeeze tests.
Indeed they do, which is why time has probably run out. Without having some evidence that they have been able to build a complete chassis and a complete car then it's highly doubtful they will get anything done in time.

Seeing a black, carbon fibre monocoque with large parts of the chassis missing doesn't really prove anything, and it still looks eerily like the Falcon chassis shell.

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marcush. wrote:what about my initial guess they have started to design a transverse unit but have decided to startoff with the Xtrac/Ricardo spec box ,saving a lot of recource here
just to make sure they will make the grid and possibly upgrade to the new box at the start of the european series?

Still nobody has published anything about the spec box .Damn sure the unit must be ready and already delivered to all teams ,so any comment from anyone ?

I posted this on page 105, it's not a bespoke F1 box, but it's an Xtrac transverse box.

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The shaft bearing housings can clearly be seen here, but it is possible that the Narrower F1 gears may make this seem less obvious.
(It's also possible the casing on an F1 box is wider, covering the CV joint and shaft bearing housings see LG11 gearbox below)

The USF1 box in the video, even though it's pretty short and similar to the above it somehow has a similar shape the Williams gearbox.
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Question for the experts, is the FW31 transverse or longitudinal? That should be able to help decide what USF1 got there.
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So, supposidly in a recent interview, Lopez indicated the second driver would be announced within 10 days. and that the Cosworth engines would not arrive until the 15th of February.

That second part seems unlikely.

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Can't be right as teams are supposed to test next week with the Cosworths.

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Williams are already testing with the cossy, there was an update a few weeks ago saying they were ready for shipping so what's the hold up with USF1...

Just sounds like they're shifting the blame.

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or lack of payment. they were waiting for Lopez to write the check.

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nacho wrote:Can't be right as teams are supposed to test next week with the Cosworths.
they could have separate deals as to the delivery schedule.

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Im thinking that cant be righ as well.

All the cosworth teams have been supplied with at least 2 old Cosworth CA2006 blocks for mockup purposes. And that the FIA was insistant on the Cossie blocks to be shipped to Dallara (Campos) and USF1 via air freight, at a cost of arround €10,000 per block that the FIA have stumped up for the air freight costs.

All the UK Based teams (Lotus, Manor (Virgin) & Williams) have all been delivered with at least 6 blocks at current. 4 for testing and 2 for shipping out the cars for starting with at Bahrain.

There are 10 blocks here, so 2 per team have been delivered for sure:

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Something just dosnt feel and sound right.

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A friend in the US did a tour of their factory recently. apparently its a frenzied hustle at the moment as they work incredibly hard prepping new parts etc.

So its definitely full steam ahead there.

Apparently the front foyer/reception is prepared with long glass shelving there.. obviously empty, but for a bottle of champagne.. oh and an old billy cart of some sort! it all looks a little odd at the moment, but obvious plans for success are in place! :P

the usf1 'supplier' they work for hasn't actually been paid yet by usf1 (altho F1 teams are notorious for late payments), so these vital bits of the car haven't been supplied.. which is scary, seeing as tho the car will not function without them! (i'm being cheekily vague here just in case of prying eyes.. paranoia has crept in!)
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madtown77 wrote:and that the Cosworth engines would not arrive until the 15th of February.
That isn't right at all. As they have to design a car around the Cosworth engine, obviously, they would at the very, very least have had a supply of old Cosworths for testing and fitting many weeks or months ago. That's why I'm suspicious that they haven't managed to get a complete chassis and car built yet because they won't know if anything works at all until they do. To do all that so late does nothing to make me believe that this isn't a dead duck.

Teams like Williams had their engines fitted weeks ago and they are testing with it now. To get engines delivered so close to testing and the start of the season is just not right at all.