Renault R30

[vall]

it seems to me that some of the released studio pictures are just slightly modified version of R29 with the new livery? The car they showed today has narrower nose?

[Jan_83]

Woohoo! What a beautyful car. I like it.
Has a shorter wheelbase than the other contenders we have seen so far. Maybe that those better proportions make it so cute. And the colourscheme is just...great.

[robbertmd]

it seems to me that some of the released studio pictures are just slightly modified version of R29 with the new livery? The car they showed today has narrower nose?

If you are talking about this car:

This confused me somewhat as it also said that the R30 would remain on show in L’Atelier until February 28, which naturally had me wondering what the team is going to use for testing throughout February, as there are no teams out there which has built extra cars at this time of year, when the production capacity is needed to manufacture all the ideas that come out of the tests in time for the first race. So I must conclude that the car being unveiled and left in Paris for a month is a 2010 show car, rather than the real thing.

If not, ignore this post.

[horse]

WOW, the wheelbase is almost the same looking at those pictures, I could imagine this would be a huge advantage at somewhere like Monaco. It also explains why the sidepods are somewhat bulkier than the McLaren and the Sauber.... the F10 isn't looking great at the moment is it?

Woohoo! What a beautyful car. I like it.
Has a shorter wheelbase than the other contenders we have seen so far. Maybe that those better proportions make it so cute. And the colourscheme is just...great.

URG! This is not the new car. The new car is not being revealed until tomorrow.

With the striking new livery revealed on one of last year's R29 models, Renault's R30 remains concealed in the team garage and will be out on track in the hands of Kubica on Monday morning.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-new ... 30-livery/

It seems we have to wait until tomorrow for the R30.

[i70q7m7ghw]

WOW, the wheelbase is almost the same looking at those pictures, I could imagine this would be a huge advantage at somewhere like Monaco. It also explains why the sidepods are somewhat bulkier than the McLaren and the Sauber.... the F10 isn't looking great at the moment is it?

Woohoo! What a beautyful car. I like it.
Has a shorter wheelbase than the other contenders we have seen so far. Maybe that those better proportions make it so cute. And the colourscheme is just...great.

URG! This is not the new car. The new car is not being revealed until tomorrow.

With the striking new livery revealed on one of last year's R29 models, Renault's R30 remains concealed in the team garage and will be out on track in the hands of Kubica on Monday morning.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-new ... 30-livery/

It seems we have to wait until tomorrow for the R30.

Well the first issue with that is the steering rack on the R29 was not in line with the lower wishbone, on what we saw today it was. Also what you have quoted isn;t in the article? Have you re-read it since? They might have been wrong, GPupdate are not always particularly accurate.

I agree this could be a R29B? But what the hell is the point?

I think this is most likely the R30 but with a few R29 parts, i.e. the nose cone - take a look at the bottom edge, it doesn't line up.

EDIT: The rear crash structure is also below the beam wing now, this was not the case on the R29 from what I could see.

[bonjon1979]

Front cameras on brake ducts!

'choo been smokin'?
aint no camera on the ducts

Sorry, low res pic tricked me.

Aligned by cockpits as they are the only identical parts of the car.

To me aligning them at either the front or rear wheel centerline would be much more informational... can you do that for us?

Apparently this isn't the true R30 and is actually a modified r29. This would explain how the wheelbase has remained almost exactly the same as last years car.

[horse]

the first issue with that is the steering rack on the R29 was not in line with the lower wishbone, on what we saw today it was. Also what you have quoted isn;t in the article? Have you re-read it since? They might have been wrong, GPupdate are not always particularly accurate.

Well, the story has changed now. It said first time that they were hiding the R30 in the garage for tomorrow. Damn journo's, changing their online stories, naughty.

Don't you think that it is just too similar? The packages compared in the photo are the launch R29 and the "R30". The R29 did change a bit throughout the season. If this really is the R30, then Renault must have had one of the worst off season development programs in history. The cars won't make the finish as they've forgotten to stick in a bigger fuel tank and it also appears that they stuck a pre-Japan 2009 front wing on it.

[manchild]

It is a new car. Take a closer look at full size photo. http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4913/new12.jpg

No one modifies chassis, suspension, bodywork, wings, ducts etc. just for livery presentation.

Wheelbase is similar to last year's since Renault has very low fuel consumption, so their fuel tank is 20 liters smaller than at some other teams.

*Forgot to mention diffuser that is hidden.

[horse]

It is a new car. Take a closer look at full size photo.

No one modifies chassis, suspension, bodywork, wings, ducts etc. just for livery presentation.

Wheelbase is similar to last year's since Renault has very low fuel consumption, so their fuel tank is 20 liters smaller than at some other teams.

Hot debate! The guys at f1fanatic.co.uk aren't so sure, either!!!

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/01/31/2 ... -pictures/

[bonjon1979]

Yep, I think it is the old car, there's no way that it is 25cm's longer than the 29 in those comparison photos.

[i70q7m7ghw]

I think it is the R30, and I think they've just managed to pack in the slightly larger fuel tank very well which makes this car quite impressive even if it doesn't look so. A long wheel base is not a good necessarily thing so don't go thinking just because they haven't got one they are on the back foot.

[horse]

Ok, looks like the exhausts are now aligned to the back of the yellow fairing, which would indicate that the engine has moved (or at least the exhaust has changed). I suppose this is in favour of it being a new car.

EDIT: Oh, I'm not so sure now, as yellow fairing finishes in the very middle of old exhaust outlets.

[Agerasia]

It is a new car. Take a closer look at full size photo. http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4913/new12.jpg

No one modifies chassis, suspension, bodywork, wings, ducts etc. just for livery presentation.

Wheelbase is similar to last year's since Renault has very low fuel consumption, so their fuel tank is 20 liters smaller than at some other teams.

*Forgot to mention diffuser that is hidden.

Why is everyone comparing the 09 launch car? The car by the end of the season had altered quite a bit.
Compare it to the end of season car then you'll see it's identicle.

[i70q7m7ghw]

It is a new car. Take a closer look at full size photo. http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4913/new12.jpg

No one modifies chassis, suspension, bodywork, wings, ducts etc. just for livery presentation.

Wheelbase is similar to last year's since Renault has very low fuel consumption, so their fuel tank is 20 liters smaller than at some other teams.

*Forgot to mention diffuser that is hidden.

Why is everyone comparing the 09 launch car? The car by the end of the season had altered quite a bit.
Compare it to the end of season car then you'll see it's identicle.

Ok fair point, but the car presented today has got a totally different engine cover, no fuel cover, explain.

[djos]

It is a new car. Take a closer look at full size photo. http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4913/new12.jpg

No one modifies chassis, suspension, bodywork, wings, ducts etc. just for livery presentation.

Wheelbase is similar to last year's since Renault has very low fuel consumption, so their fuel tank is 20 liters smaller than at some other teams.

*Forgot to mention diffuser that is hidden.

MC is correct, the car shown at the track is a new car as the suspension is completely different from the R29 and the drivers cockpit has also been moved forward by a decent amount.

That said they may have fudged up some early development wings and nose like everyone else to keep them from being analysed just yet. plus, Why hide DDD if it isn't the real deal?