USF1 -- F1's All-American Challenger

[bosanac1]

well it seems like small war has started at atlas between employees at usf1. if you want to follow it.

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?s ... &p=4123920

[countersteer]

xpensive.. I'm all for being realistic. I also appreciate most (if not all) of your input on other topics. However, it appears that your intent is to bash USF1 at every opportunity. This is a technical forum. Every difference in USF1's approach has been noted. While most attempt to debate the merits vs. shortcomings, you are quick to announce "serious error" and proclaim it wrong. How about we let the discussion run its course based simply on its technical merits, nothing more or less. Even if it turns out to be a bad move, many of us enjoy and benefit from the debate.

Sadly, I share your increasing pessimism of USF1's ability to make it onto the grid. I really hope they can pull it off. But, as you may say, reality must be faced. However, even if they do fail, that shouldn't detract from the technical discussions that their attempts can foster. (The lateral vs. longitudinal gearbox comes to mind.)

Just my $0.02 ...

[Richard]

ouch!

Those threads are painful reading

[xpensive]

F1T is a technical forum?

As for this very thread, I am simply amazed that the general F1T population couldn't see thru this charade from day one,
engineer or not, when fittingly enough the only realistic sequence has been a broken nose.

[djos]

As much as I would like to see usf1 on the grid with 2 cars Im no longer optimistic that this will happen. In the last week or so theve gone real quiet which IMO does not bode well.

I hope my pessimism is misplaced (it's prolly misspelled at the very least)

[pipex]

One just needs to look at Lotus or Virgin to see that USF1 is doing everything wrong!
They are meeting all their deadlines and are well placed to be in Bahrein.

The main difference between these new teams and USF1 seems to be only good management.

[Pup]

Well, money can often overcome even bad management.

BTW, the whole Campos angle is still alive and kicking...

http://murphythebear.com/blog/index.php ... moving-on/

The vultures are swarming.

(Do vultures swarm?)

Autosport is joining the bandwagon, too...

Across the Atlantic, Cosworth-contracted US F1 is said to be seriously in arrears on its chassis build programme – so much so that there are doubts as to whether the team will be able to debut by the fourth grand prix of the season. The team enjoys funding from YouTube founder Chad Hurley, who may be persuaded to acquire the Dallara kit on behalf of his nascent outfit.

This is all headed south in a hurry I'm afraid.

[Giblet]

(They circle)

[The FOZ]

Everyone wants to be a part of something bigger than themselves. People want to believe that they're putting their times, energy, and ability is going into something worthwhile, to take something from square one to success. They'll walk to hell and back in service of ideas they think are noble. If that faith falters, if they become disillusioned, the backlash can be dramatic and ugly. I think we've seen a bit of that in the repost above.

Some people have big ideas and dreams, but lack the ability to execute. They can be intelligent, charismatic, and able to see what they want to happen very clearly - but just can't get from where they are to where they want to be.

I've been involved in such an organization, on a smaller scale, and they've spent ten years on the cutting edge of mediocrity, due to big ideas and poor execution. The only thing that's sustained them is a steady IV drip of funding.

IF USF1 is in such a situation, the scale and difficulty of what they're up against won't be forgiving in the least. Their project costs mega bucks, has a very small time frame in which to be accomplished. Those two details make this a tough thing to do. Add some bad management to the mix, and they're hooped.

[madtown77]

If they are having the wiring fitted to the car, then the chassis is designed. That would mean that they are broke and cannot afford to make another one. Either that or the story is baseless.

When I actually see a major news source run with this (aside from a 2 sentence slash in Autosport) then I'll believe it. If true, then it spells bad news. On the bright side, the fact that they are pushing forward with signing a second driver would seem to bode well for their future.

If not, then this is one hell of a ponzi scheme, but I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet.

[The FOZ]

On the bright side, the fact that they are pushing forward with signing a second driver would seem to bode well for their future.

It doesn't signify good or bad in particular. Either they need a second driver because they're getting ready to race, or they need a second driver for the $$$ that driver will be bringing along with them.

Take them signing a reserve/test driver as a good sign - because those rarely, if ever, come with $$$ attached.

If not, then this is one hell of a ponzi scheme, but I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet.

I don't think it's a scheme, per se. Anderson/Windsor probably believe 100% in this venture, and will swear it's real and going to happen - right up until it goes down in flames and they have to face reality. Until then, they're going to keep living in the fantasy they've created. IF, of course, this is as troubled an operation as some are claiming.

[czt]

Any last hopes I had about USF1's participation disappeared this weekend. They've simply shown nothing of substance to suggest they stand a chance of making it. Some half-arsed cad renderings don't really cut it, and tales of missed payroll are simply the nail in the coffin.

Their only hope is that Chad Hurley takes control and buys the dallara car from Campos. Failing that I hope Lopez and his sponsors haven't stuck too much money into the place yet...

[xpensive]

I guess there won't be no Barber-barbeque-thang in two weeks then, y'all?

[Chaparral]

The post from 'Bertrand' over on Atlas is b/s he's a troll - Im informed from Speed TV that everythings on track and as they have their office virtually next door I tend to go with that rather than the slagging Expensive has given them right from day one.

[xpensive]

I don't care if "Bertrand" is a troll or not, I think "Composite Ken" is the interesting guy in the context, no?