Red Bull RB6

[benjabulle]

RB provided very high res studio shots, nice details when you focus :
Still here : http://www.gurneyflap.com/formula10.html

[bill shoe]

It looks like they have added some kind of sidepods extensions that lead toward the upper diffuser. It seems that when the car was first presented there were no those gray/black elements extending sidepods backward. Am I mistaken?

=D> aah you notice it too.
I think this is the genius part that we were looking for.. The hot air from the side-pods just route into the diffuser. The sidepods are very similar to the Renault R29's side-pods. Except the Ranault side pods were not used to augment a diffuser.

You can also notice that the drive shafts are located much higher this year.

I don't understand the benefit of routing sidepod air into the diffuser. The diffuser must take air from under the car in order to make downforce. I'm skeptical the hot sidepod air is going into the upper diffuser.

[RAF]

It would be rather funny if everyone else was concentrating on aero and diffusers and Newey was the only one actually putting all his efforts on packaging and balance. The car might look basic and evolutionary, but without all the aero complications, it might actually be the most efficient of them all.

[Giblet]

It would be rather funny if everyone else was concentrating on aero and diffusers and Newey was the only one actually putting all his efforts on packaging and balance. The car might look basic and evolutionary, but without all the aero complications, it might actually be the most efficient of them all.

Many of us assumed the Renault reliability problems with RB were due to the angle of the drive shafts... maybe it was just cooling issues and this change is to accommodate that, and not so much an aero trick for pure performance reasons.

RB might have got a championship or two if it wasn't for Renault being unreliable to them, and them only.

The RS27 in the Renault chassis was bulletproof.

[Pedro]

RB6 compared to RB5


RB6 compared to STR5


Source: F1news
http://f1news.cz/technika/34021-novy-re ... alizovano/

[maciej]

It looks like they have added some kind of sidepods extensions that lead toward the upper diffuser. It seems that when the car was first presented there were no those gray/black elements extending sidepods backward. Am I mistaken?

=D> aah you notice it too.
I think this is the genius part that we were looking for.. The hot air from the side-pods just route into the diffuser. The sidepods are very similar to the Renault R29's side-pods. Except the Ranault side pods were not used to augment a diffuser.

You can also notice that the drive shafts are located much higher this year.

I don't understand the benefit of routing sidepod air into the diffuser. The diffuser must take air from under the car in order to make downforce. I'm skeptical the hot sidepod air is going into the upper diffuser.

I agree. The sidepod air is probably channeled to the central exhaust (mailbox style). The extended sidepods are probably about creating smoother/faster flow above the DDD. Such flow "bends" less (sorry for terminology, I am not a pro) downward and so the air is sucked more strongly from the DDD. So by making this section more slippery they can avoid directing the air above the DDD so much upward as, say, Renault. Does it make sense?

[Confused_Andy]

hmmm I wonder how the phone-call went from STR to RB...

STR: What are you doing for 2010?
RB: Just making it longer and making the edges on the nose taller...
STR: Sounds like a good idea.

Interesting to see how much room the Ferrari lump needed against the Renault though.

[Richard]

Herman Goering

Awsome - straight to Godwins law

[Pedro]

hmmm I wonder how the phone-call went from STR to RB...

STR: What are you doing for 2010?
RB: Just making it longer and making the edges on the nose taller...
STR: Sounds like a good idea.

Interesting to see how much room the Ferrari lump needed against the Renault though.

=D>

Well, STR5 resembles RB6 more than less.

[manchild]

Herman Goering

Awsome - straight to Godwins law

I know, I know, but if I'd mentioned Schumacher's way to obtaine 7 titles, than they'd be all over me.

[BreezyRacer]

I suspect that since Newey didn't take the Renault/McLaren route of building maximum diffuser wake by tieing the diffuser exits to the lower wing, he either knows something they don't, or has been caught out in committing to last year's successful design. We'll just have to see how all this unfolds.

I think basing the car success on diffuser size is borderline moronic. Last year the force India had one of the largest DDD yet redbull with one half its size was dominate.... Obviously there were many other factors, but I just wanted to point out that size is not everything despite my junk mail telling me otherwise.

Gee guy, I WASN'T basing the whole car on diffuser size, and and I qualified my thoughts pretty succinctly. You have to admit that the RB way is vastly different from McLaren and Renault. It'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out .. that's what I said.

[nacho]

I wonder if anyone could tell the difference between TR5 and RB6 had they not have different liveries. The V-nose bumps are a bit more pointy on TR and perhaps the side pods are slightly rounder in curvature in the TR5. Wings etc. look exactly the same. Maybe most of the work has indeed been done inside to maintain the balance of the 2009 cars.

[horse]

This has to be a joke, right? They are the same car!!!!

Now the interesting question is, who borrowed the design from who? STR borrowed from Adrian Newey or (SHOCK HORROR) Adrian Newey borrowed from STR????

[pipex]

Seems that the theory of STR looking at RBR's trash cans was true after all...

[christopher.mahlon]

This has to be a joke, right? They are the same car!!!!

Now the interesting question is, who borrowed the design from who? STR borrowed from Adrian Newey or (SHOCK HORROR) Adrian Newey borrowed from STR????

But was anyone really expecting anything different? The Red Bull was always going to be an evolutionary step given how dominant it was last year, and it would have been silly of Toro Rosso in their first year designing and constructing to do anything crazy and outside of the box. They had a great base in last year's car, and anyway you can see a few minor differences. Look for the cars to continue to diverge as the year goes by and into next year as Toro Rosso takes more and more ownership of its design.

Meantime, I really love looking at those two cars.