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vasia wrote:
segedunum wrote:
richard_leeds wrote:Does it? Looks to me like they have obsessive data acquisition rather than any panic or uncharted R&D.

The only uncharted territory I've seen is some "what if" discussions on here.
McLaren are doing what they're doing for a reason, and it can't just be data acquisition. They've spent most of their test sessions doing it now to the detriment of some running. They aren't doing it for the goodness of their health and to fill a few NAS drives where they have a spare few gigabytes.
Oh enough already with your rubbish.

Do you work for McLaren? Do you explicitly know what McLaren is or isn't doing right now during testing? Your posts full of banter are nothing but assumptions. Why don't you go back to the RB6 thread where you belong and continue praising that car.

McLaren right now is doing enough track running, and they are also getting some track data from their innovative test equipment. This track data will be used for more realistic CFD models and simulations, which will prove invaluable during the season with the testing ban.

Last year McLaren by far improved their car the fastest out of any other teams, including Red Bull. McLaren went from being back of the pack at the beginning of the season to competing with the Red Bull cars on pace at the end of the season.

McLaren's car this year is not back of the pack. At worst, their car this year is mid-field, but it's likely to be a solid Top 6 car as well.

Point is, regardless of where their car will place in the field come the first races, McLaren will have the data and experience to achievement massive performance improvements during the season.
Well said. Glad Im not the only one getting sick of hearing all those unfounded opinions made out to be fact.

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Mclaren's rears are badly blistered in this photo. We don't know what compound they are for sure but I don't see a green stripe and from what I recall yesterday Mclaren's longest run was 12 laps.

http://images.gpupdate.net/large/145487.jpg

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raymondu999 wrote:Button drives, and he's given a testing rig with sensors and probes. Hami arrives and he gets a new diffuser... Smells like Hami and Heikki all over again :P
No new diffuser. If your thinking its covered so it must be new, this is just standard practice. LH had aero testing devices fitted in the side pods this morning.

Also Button has probably had the better deal as according to the forecast he has likely had the most dry running

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bonjon1979 wrote:Mclaren's rears are badly blistered in this photo. We don't know what compound they are for sure but I don't see a green stripe and from what I recall yesterday Mclaren's longest run was 12 laps.

http://images.gpupdate.net/large/145487.jpg
looks more like clag/pick-up than blisters to me

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bonjon1979 wrote:Mclaren's rears are badly blistered in this photo. We don't know what compound they are for sure but I don't see a green stripe and from what I recall yesterday Mclaren's longest run was 12 laps.

http://images.gpupdate.net/large/145487.jpg
Wow, they look a right mess. Could it also be that they didn't change tyres between runs?
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horse wrote:Wow, they look a right mess. Could it also be that they didn't change tyres between runs?
Wouldn't surprise me if they go out on old tyres to see how they drop off.

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ISLAMATRON wrote:
bonjon1979 wrote:Mclaren's rears are badly blistered in this photo. We don't know what compound they are for sure but I don't see a green stripe and from what I recall yesterday Mclaren's longest run was 12 laps.

http://images.gpupdate.net/large/145487.jpg
looks more like clag/pick-up than blisters to me
Maybe. I think that on the right rear there is definitely what looks like a blister in the dead centre of the tyre. It may be that they were running on the same set for a number of stints, so we don't really know. But it was interesting to hear Jenson talking about tyre wear being a major issue.

"I think so. This is an area we are now working on. I think it is something that everybody will have to improve given the scenario we will face this year," he told the official F1 website.

"With a fuel load of 160 kilos at the start of the race it is important to look after your rear tyres. As soon as you have an issue with the rears with that much fuel on you can damage them very quickly.

"I see a lot of people doing long runs with high fuel and that is the reason for it - to see what happens to the rear tyres. We have done some runs with high fuel to see what happens and get some useful information."

Not saying there's definitely a problem, it's just that photo did catch my eye.

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Note, above, that Hami has the upper channel fully open again today.
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bonjon1979 wrote: "I think so. This is an area we are now working on. I think it is something that everybody will have to improve given the scenario we will face this year," he told the official F1 website.

"With a fuel load of 160 kilos at the start of the race it is important to look after your rear tyres. As soon as you have an issue with the rears with that much fuel on you can damage them very quickly.

"I see a lot of people doing long runs with high fuel and that is the reason for it - to see what happens to the rear tyres. We have done some runs with high fuel to see what happens and get some useful information."

Not saying there's definitely a problem, it's just that photo did catch my eye.
so that basically confirms macca have been doing heavy runs hence the mid range pace?

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zgred wrote:Image

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i'd love to see the data they collected from these. I'm sure other teams would too.

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thestig84 wrote:
vasia wrote:
segedunum wrote: McLaren are doing what they're doing for a reason, and it can't just be data acquisition. They've spent most of their test sessions doing it now to the detriment of some running. They aren't doing it for the goodness of their health and to fill a few NAS drives where they have a spare few gigabytes.
Oh enough already with your rubbish.

Do you work for McLaren? Do you explicitly know what McLaren is or isn't doing right now during testing? Your posts full of banter are nothing but assumptions. Why don't you go back to the RB6 thread where you belong and continue praising that car.

McLaren right now is doing enough track running, and they are also getting some track data from their innovative test equipment. This track data will be used for more realistic CFD models and simulations, which will prove invaluable during the season with the testing ban.

Last year McLaren by far improved their car the fastest out of any other teams, including Red Bull. McLaren went from being back of the pack at the beginning of the season to competing with the Red Bull cars on pace at the end of the season.

McLaren's car this year is not back of the pack. At worst, their car this year is mid-field, but it's likely to be a solid Top 6 car as well.

Point is, regardless of where their car will place in the field come the first races, McLaren will have the data and experience to achievement massive performance improvements during the season.
Well said. Glad Im not the only one getting sick of hearing all those unfounded opinions made out to be fact.
Yeah just ignore him - he's nothing but a Red Bull fan boy slagging off the opposition. Even Red Bull have commented that McLaren and Ferrari look quick.

In his 'detailed' reply to me he also conveniently skipped over the bit that gave the logical reason for McLaren's programme that he then said I hadn't provided :P

McLaren are a championship winning team with a proven track record. Last season they started with a dog of a car, but through an intensive development program they improved their car more than any other team on the grid, ultimately making it into a race winning car. Throughout that development process they will have learnt a lot and made adjustments to their procedures. I believe that all this aero testing is simply evidence that they have learned their lessons from last year.

Regardless of whether their car runs at the front, middle, or back of the grid, collecting all this data is only going to help with developing their car further. They will be constantly improving their understanding but just as importantly their tools and simulations. With such limited testing and another aero shake up for next year, this could well prove decisive over a long season.

If McLaren do well this year, expect other teams to copy their approach.

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move on... nothing to see here. It's planned normal testing.

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Clearly some sort of moveable aerodynamic device.

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horse wrote:
bonjon1979 wrote:Mclaren's rears are badly blistered in this photo. We don't know what compound they are for sure but I don't see a green stripe and from what I recall yesterday Mclaren's longest run was 12 laps.

http://images.gpupdate.net/large/145487.jpg
Wow, they look a right mess.
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