McLaren have chosen some interesting design routes on their new competitor. In addition to our own technical analysis, McLaren's Tim Goss and Paddy Lowe explain why some decisions have been made in light of the regulation changes.
Well said; Allah help the other teams if Mclaren is truly a front runner and the team hasn't even looked at the data as yet!! May the blessings of Anubis be upon them!! [-o<myurr wrote: Yeah just ignore him - he's nothing but a Red Bull fan boy slagging off the opposition. Even Red Bull have commented that McLaren and Ferrari look quick.
In his 'detailed' reply to me he also conveniently skipped over the bit that gave the logical reason for McLaren's programme that he then said I hadn't provided
McLaren are a championship winning team with a proven track record. Last season they started with a dog of a car, but through an intensive development program they improved their car more than any other team on the grid, ultimately making it into a race winning car. Throughout that development process they will have learnt a lot and made adjustments to their procedures. I believe that all this aero testing is simply evidence that they have learned their lessons from last year.
Regardless of whether their car runs at the front, middle, or back of the grid, collecting all this data is only going to help with developing their car further. They will be constantly improving their understanding but just as importantly their tools and simulations. With such limited testing and another aero shake up for next year, this could well prove decisive over a long season.
If McLaren do well this year, expect other teams to copy their approach.
vasia wrote:Do you work for McLaren? Do you explicitly know what McLaren is or isn't doing right now during testing?
Pffffffff. No I don't work for McLaren. Do you work for McLaren? Can you add anything to the discussion beyond "I don't like what you've said?"[-X They're not opinions (I've offered no opinions on what McLaren are doing or even that they might be in trouble) and I've not made them out to be facts because I haven't made any. I'm simply wondering out loud what McLaren are doing and why they might be conducting what looks like a R and D project at such a late stage. People don't like it.thestig84 wrote:Well said. Glad Im not the only one getting sick of hearing all those unfounded opinions made out to be fact.
=D>Pandamasque wrote:
move on... nothing to see here. It's planned normal testing.
myurr wrote:In his 'detailed' reply to me he also conveniently skipped over the bit that gave the logical reason for McLaren's programme that he then said I hadn't provided
Which was what, exactly, beyond "It's all normal"? Acquiring terabytes of data at this late stage of testing when there are other things to concentrate on is rather overkill. The car is built and certainly hasn't gone as fast as it can go yet. Comparisons with their CFD and wind tunnel data is one thing so any improvements they make from one to the other will be relevant, but one is entitled to question what they're doing now. They're going to have to analyse that data and then act on it by manufacturing actionable new parts etc., which will take weeks if not months, by which time the whole window of data that they are operating with will have moved completely and will be heavily influence by the performance of other teams.De ja vu? I pointed out McLaren's 'championship winning record', over the last decade no less, which you don't dispute at all.........and you then tell us all over again that McLaren are a proven championship winning team because you feel that tells us that everything is OK and McLaren know what they're doing with the point under discussion. I fail to see the logic in that. It's 'proof' by association.McLaren are a championship winning team with a proven track record.
I fail to see what relevance that has here. Yes, they started with a dog of a car because that was their fault. You're the one playing on McLaren's track record here, so................. It's a major stretch to suggest that the improvements they made were down to acquiring a ton of data pre-season. Put simply, McLaren couldn't afford to be where they were, they got parts on to the car and KERS certainly masked quite a bit.Last season they started with a dog of a car, but through an intensive development program they improved their car more than any other team on the grid, ultimately making it into a race winning car.
I can certainly understand the logic of that as I've said before, but not at this late stage and especially not if they know the car is behaving as they want. You then concentrate on getting the speed out of the car, which is what testing now is all about, because only then can any data you collect actually be relevant.Throughout that development process they will have learnt a lot and made adjustments to their procedures. I believe that all this aero testing is simply evidence that they have learned their lessons from last year.
I don't doubt that many teams will start gathering more data to compare against what they think they should be getting on track, but that's exactly what it will be for. I don't think you're going to see many teams collecting data for the sake of it because a lot of teams are clever enough to know that when you collect data you have to analyse it for something useful, turn it into something you can change and even then you won't be able to change the central philosophy with which the car is built.If McLaren do well this year, expect other teams to copy their approach.
autosport wrote:15:50 Di Grassi and Hamilton are also out for some late laps.
15:52 Hamilton is the man on the move as he sets the best time of the day - 1m19.952s
15:54 Hamilton improves to a 1m19.684s. He's fastest of the whole test now.
15:55 There's even more on the next lap from Hamilton as a 1m19.583s extends his advantage at the top.
