Campos Meta 1 Situation.

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ESPImperium wrote:Looks like we have 12 teams present now for 2010.

Lets hope that they can attend maybes a couple days of the test in Barcelona next week somehow.
Don't forget Stefan, looks like a full grid

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Im now half expecting them at the test in Barcelona next week.

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kolles allegedly sails very close to the wind. He was/is linked to the Russian mafia via Alex Shnaider and has treated the various teams as his -and his father's- cash cow. They remind me of the Soprano's when they 'helped out' the sports shop owner...

One of the main reasons for the accounts being delayed at FI is that they are still trying to unravel his various business transactions going too/from Romania etc.

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Campos boss admits 'chaos'
New team principal says Spanish outfit "had basically nothing"
22nd February 2010
The only department which basically exists is a software department, with eight guys who never saw an F1 car in their lives. New Campos Meta team principal Colin Kolles has admitted they are in a state of "chaos" less than three weeks before the start of the new Formula One season.

The former Midland and Spyker boss, who parted ways with the Silverstone-based outfit after Vijay Mallya took control and rebranded them Force India, was handed the role after chief shareholder José Ramón Carabante took over from founder Adrian Campos last week.

Kolles revealed that when he started work on the project two weeks ago, he found "basically nothing" in terms of facilities and said that the team would have to seek a temporary base with Italian chassis manufacturer Dallara - who are building their car - in the meantime.

"For two weeks I'm sleeping two hours a night," he told adamcooperf1.com. "It's the most incredible time.

"I push more and more, and I'm not giving it up until I'm there. I want to succeed in bringing the team on the grid, and to survive the year and to stabilise it and then to build it up."

Crazy

Revealing the true extent of the team's lack of preparedness, Kolles said: "My role is to clean up the chaos! They had basically nothing, only chaos.

"The only department which basically exists is a software department, with eight guys who never saw an F1 car in their lives, and who are doing software simulation programmes.

"Then there are two or three engineers with F1 experience, and that's it. The real story is a crazy story, you understand."

He added that Campos Meta "will be based in Spain as an HQ, but for now we will operate from Dallara, for the first race, and we'll see.

"At mid-term it will definitely be in Spain. The team will be based in Murcia. We have to build up a state-of-the-art factory, wind tunnel and everything."

Kolles has set the team a target of making the grid in Bahrain on March 14 but admitted it would be "amazing" if they actually delivered.

"We will have two cars in Bahrain. I don't know how we will have them, and I don't care, but we will have two cars on the grid," he said.

"If this is going to be achieved, I think this is one of the most amazing things, I tell you. They had nothing. They had one empty workshop with nothing inside..."

Rescue
Brazilian Bruno Senna signed a contract to race for Campos Meta, although Kolles admitted that having two paying drivers join might help them shore up their finances.

"It's very clear that we need a budget to rescue the team," he said. "At Jordan [in 2005] we also had to start with pay drivers, and then it developed. After four years you have full professional drivers.

"When the team is performing and the team is efficient, then it is on a second page."
An amazing story. It shows that Campos had a lot less than USF1 in terms of resources and plans under execution. Nevertheless they are being saved by new money. A crazy world.
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It's completely ridiculous that the FIA chose Campos over someone like Lola, Prodrive or Epsilon (or even StefanGP).
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WhiteBlue wrote:An amazing story. It shows that Campos had a lot less than USF1 in terms of resources and plans under execution. Nevertheless they are being saved by new money. A crazy world.
We certainly don't know that USF1 are any better than that at all. Progress says not. Believe it or not, that's actually better organisation than USF1 because they actually have a car built by Dallara and potentially resources available there. Put simply, that's why they're getting any money.

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Look Mr.Windsor. Look how Mr.Kolles just admits straight up there is a problem. Chavski to the rescue.

Novel idea huh?
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Giblet wrote:Look Mr.Windsor. Look how Mr.Kolles just admits straight up there is a problem. Chavski to the rescue.

Novel idea huh?
in this very situation it is only normal to do so,if he manages to get the cars to the race he will be hero ,even if the cars and team will be a disaster in that event.
If he did not state nothings done yet ,all achievements in that phase would be lessened by the world thinking he could build on what campos already did.

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Yeah.....no.

Windsor has been doing everything to make it sound like everything is fine. He had a chance to just admit some level of defeat.

Someone who makes a mistake, then admits it, and immediately tries to fix it in the best way possible, is better than someone who acts like nothing is wrong, when it clearly is. Everyone makes mistakes, the ones who learn and act on them do better then the ones who try to bury it.

Yes, they are completely different situations, but regardless, one tells it like it is, the other, not.
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Giblet wrote:Look Mr.Windsor. Look how Mr.Kolles just admits straight up there is a problem.
It's easier admitting a problem when you've not caused it, I'm sure you agree, Giblet.
WhiteBlue wrote:Campos boss admits 'chaos'
"Then there are two or three engineers with F1 experience, and that's it. The real story is a crazy story, you understand."
This, at least, shows that they're relying on some Campos lower formulae staff. Come on, that's surely, at least, a similar structure to Virgin. All design has been comissioned to an external entity and you have no windtunnel or design staff. Manor probably had already some composite experience and may have actually fabricated the car, but that's the only difference.
WhiteBlue mentioned USF1. I've read a lot of reports on USF1 (Racecar Engineering, Sport Auto, SpeedTV...) and I never heard mentioned the enrolment of pit staff from USF1. Probably they have their hands full with a car that may be ready only for the 5th race of the championship. But if you are going to race a car, it's important to have some mechanics going through the process of buiding the cars, that's a big advantage at the moment of having to decide and perform swiftly on the event of weekend mishaps.
WhiteBlue wrote:Campos boss admits 'chaos'
"At mid-term it will definitely be in Spain. The team will be based in Murcia. We have to build up a state-of-the-art factory, wind tunnel and everything."
That could be Kolles going for a different plan than the one from Adrian Campos. The absence of design and manufacturing team could mean that they planned to leave to Dallara the development of the car and future designs. It's nothing that Audi isn't doing for many years and winning Le Mans with it.

Sure, the same amount of resources wouldn't be enough to fight in F1, but it may be clever to outsource on the long-term (as it seems also Virgin is doing) things like car conception, since you run on much lower fixed costs and the cost of the resources at your disposal at the supplier will be split with other projects. And if you want to assure the development is quick enough for Formula One, use the money of the "state-of-the-art factory, wind tunnel and everything" and assure a good proprietary technical team (Geoff Willis could be a good start) to work intimately with Dallara (who will be a lot more confortable building new projects based on the 2010 car than any other engineering team) and pushing the project forward from the inside. It's not like the windtunnel time allowed this days is that big that it couldn't be bought outside.

It's only me or this project makes a lot more sense than Mr. Kolles'? Damn, Mr. Carabante, you should have hired me (I also have no connections with any Mafia).

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Luca the Horse Wisperer@Maranello wrote:As for the twelfth team, Campos Meta, its shareholder and management structure has been transformed, according to rumours which have reached the Horse Whisperer through the paddock telegraph, with a sudden cash injection from a munificent white knight, well used to this sort of last minute rescue deal. However, the beneficiaries of this generosity might find the knight in question expects them to fulfil the role of loyal vassal. All this means, it is hard to imagine the Dallara designed car showing its face at the Catalunya Circuit, with Sakhir a more likely venue to witness the return of the Senna name to a Formula 1 session.
Magnificent white knight? More likely a vertically challenged dirty old man with a taste for 50 years younger women.
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I don't agree. A good manager/employee/person does not hide a mistake of that magnitude. Especially if it is an honest one. Biting off more than you can chew is an honest, and honorable mistake.

I do agree that is easier to be the 'Mr.Fixit' guy, as not everything broke can be fixed, and failure can be measured outside of success to a degree.

Differences aside, Windsor did not handle this well, although if you look back through all the pages of the USF1 thread, I was one of the few voices the whole time rooting them on and giving them the benefit of the doubt, until it became apparent it was time to leap on the bandwagon and grab a tuba. That time is still not officially here.

I once built a 200 foot wall of glass, ie the whole exterior of the building, and made a mistake on the ground, but the reason I kept my job, was how I handled and admitted the mistake as soon as it became apparent. I could have blamed it on the guys, the instrumentation, the gird lines, a rouge walrus, but I didn't.

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According to Motorsport.com, Campos-Meta is going to try to change its name and the car & drivers may possibly be presented this Thursday.

Motorsport.com/GMM wrote:Campos Meta 1 intends to change its name to Hispania Racing F1 Team before the start of the 2010 season next weekend.

Jose Ramon Carabante, who had already been the team president, took over the outfit from former Minardi driver Adrian Campos last month.

Grupo Hispania is the name of 57-year-old Spaniard Carabante's company.

The Spanish newspaper Diario AS said the name change, which must be approved formally by the sport's authorities, will be unveiled officially on Thursday in the Spanish city of Murcia.

It is believed the event could also see the unveiling of the Dallara-built car's livery and the announcement of Bruno Senna and Karun Chandhok as its drivers.

France's Auto Hebdo said the former Prost, Sauber and Honda engineer Jacky Eeckelaert, who worked with new team boss Colin Kolles at Le Mans last year, will also be revealed as being a part of the team.

Hispania was the Roman name for the Iberian Peninsula, including modern-day Portugal, Spain, Andorra, Gibraltar and some of France.

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New name: Hispania Racing F1
Drivers: Karun Chandhok & Bruno Senna
Reserve: Pechito López

Will be official tomorrow and the team lunch will be on thursday.

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exepm wrote:the team lunch will be on thursday.
What will be on the menu? :wink:
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