107% Rule

[horse]

I was just wondering that with Campos likely, nay certainly, to turn up without any testing and also with the possibility of the development gap getting bigger rather than smaller for the new teams, whether the 107% qualifying time rule should have been re-instated. Seems to me like some of the new cars could end up being dangerously(?) slow.

107% rule

It's a difficult one this, because there does not appear to be any safety argument involved (for instance, GT races have several different categories in the same race):

Commenting on the introduction of the 107% rule, FIA President Max Mosley said that "any small team which is properly organised will be able to get within the the 107 per cent margin". The sport's commercial rights holder, Bernie Ecclestone, agreed with this sentiment, saying in an interview that "Formula 1 is the best. And we don't need anything in it that isn't the best." He also accused some of the smaller teams of having a "startline special" mentality, in that they were solely concerned with entering the race to gain television coverage for their sponsors, and were not too occupied with actual performance given that all the entrants were guaranteed to make the race.

The rule seems to be have been introduced to stop teams turning up with any old cart and getting on TV. Such a rule might not be fair for the current list of new entrants, but certainly there remains the risk, I won't name names, of teams just turning up for the sake of it.

I do remember old Murray being pro 107% although, obviously, some of the cheaper outfits were a bit miffed. I would expect a similarly bemused reaction from the new teams if the rule were reintroduced.

[marcush.]

I was just wondering that with Campos likely, nay certainly, to turn up without any testing and also with the possibility of the development gap getting bigger rather than smaller for the new teams, whether the 107% qualifying time rule should have been re-instated. Seems to me like some of the new cars could end up being dangerously(?) slow.

107% rule

with lotus and virgin at around 105% in testing ,Campos will struggle .

[xpensive]

I think that might prove necessary, 24 cars on track with some of them 6-7s off the pace, being lapped every 10 or so?

[xpensive]

I think that might prove necessary, 24 cars on track with some of them 6-7s off the pace, being lapped every 10 or so?

Now wait a minute, that could actually spice up the show quite a bit, producing overtaking opportunities,
remember Senna and Mansell coming up to lap Johansson?

[horse]

Oh, this one?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n5LIIYo0ts[/youtube]

[Slife]

For the rule to take effect a car would have to be very slow.

For example in Abu Dhabi, Hamilton's pole was 1:40~, so you would have to be 1:47~ for the rule to take affect.

Looking on the wiki table, it seems if the time is really close to 107% the stewards will sometimes allow them to race anyway.

[tk421]

that vid reminds me of nigel mansell's world championship for SNES, the backmarkers (modena in particular) always happened to be in crucial corners on laps 3 and 6/7, and could screw your chance for victory over berger!

[Mr Alcatraz]

For the rule to take effect a car would have to be very slow.

For example in Abu Dhabi, Hamilton's pole was 1:40~, so you would have to be 1:47~ for the rule to take affect.

Looking on the wiki table, it seems if the time is really close to 107% the stewards will sometimes allow them to race anyway.

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[zgred]

FIA ponders reintroducing 107% rule

The 107% qualifying rule could be reintroduced to Formula 1 to ensure that cars a long way off the pace cannot take part in grands prix.

ITV.com/F1's James Allen has learned that the World Motor Sport Council debated the possible return of the regulation in its meeting in Bahrain on Thursday – and that the FIA is in favour of the move.

[RacingManiac]

Based on today's time I think only Bruno Senna would fall outside that....1:55.409 at 107% becomes 2:03.488. Virgin and Lotus are "well" inside that....

[Just_a_fan]

FIA ponders reintroducing 107% rule

The 107% qualifying rule could be reintroduced to Formula 1 to ensure that cars a long way off the pace cannot take part in grands prix.

ITV.com/F1's James Allen has learned that the World Motor Sport Council debated the possible return of the regulation in its meeting in Bahrain on Thursday – and that the FIA is in favour of the move.

Fairly standard FIA really. Let new teams (who will, almost by definition, be slower than the established teams) enter and then prevent them from running because they're slow. And with no real testing allowed they'll stay slow and so will never race. And then they'll leave F1 because their sponsors will leave them.

There is no reason at all why the FIA should implement the 107% rule again other than the moaning of a few drivers who know they don't know how to overtake cars on a race track and are worried about having to sit behind backmarkers for too long.

[jddh1]

Are they kidding? As a fan, I want the MAXIMUM number of cars on track at all times. They are slow? Allow them to test. Oh but now, FIA has banned that. So shut up FIA and let them run.

[ringo]

Exactly!
The new cars definitely have to potential to come within atleast 2 seconds of the faster cars.
They have the benefit of standard tyres and cosworth power, used by Williams as well, so all they really are behind with is mostly aero developement.
Just have to tolerate the slow teams this year, and hopefully next year they close the gap.

[ISLAMATRON]

Are they kidding? As a fan, I want the MAXIMUM number of cars on track at all times. They are slow? Allow them to test. Oh but now, FIA has banned that. So shut up FIA and let them run.

Read before you post maybe? First only Senna fell outside of 107% today, and he'll certainly gain several seconds tomorrow.

second, Stop blaming the FIA for the test ban... it was a FOTA initiative put forth by your hero Luca M. the same guy that hates all new teams

[jddh1]

Are they kidding? As a fan, I want the MAXIMUM number of cars on track at all times. They are slow? Allow them to test. Oh but now, FIA has banned that. So shut up FIA and let them run.

Read before you post maybe? First only Senna fell outside of 107% today, and he'll certainly gain several seconds tomorrow.

second, Stop blaming the FIA for the test ban... it was a FOTA initiative put forth by your hero Luca M. the same guy that hates all new teams

First, do you work for the FIA?

Second, I do blame the FIA.