The Schum vs The Rube

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Found this article interesting.

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Link is secure link Giblet

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ah thanks plz delete mods.
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Well, no. (Notice I used a "W" in "Well" instead of an "H")

Better yet, let's take advantage of the copyright regulations and fair use of publications as I understand it.

These are some of the graphics included in that excellent article, article which, of course, I won't post in its entirety, but that has been commented before (thanks to the soul that digs where in the forum this thread is, I would merge this and that).

If you wish to read this article (rather old), buy or suscribe to F1Racing, one of the best magazines you could invest your hard earned talers, dinars or renminbi in.

Copse to Beckett- Mr. Schumacher uses left foot braking, Mr. Barrichello doesn't (I'm very formal today, notice the "Mr.")
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What do I see here? Well, Schumacher lifts the throttle slightly and brakes with his left foot. On the other hand, Barrichello lifts his right foot from the throttle and stomps on the brakes. Who is faster? Duh. The german shifts gears later, also.

Copse to Beckett - Schumacher gets a speed advantage
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At Montreal, the same story, but this is a hairpin, so the graphics are "more energic" (peaks are steeper).

Montreal hairpin - Yes, he does it again (I had this graph stored from the previous thread on this subject that I cannot find, I don't know which language is this)
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So, what's the story? Well, yes, you can correct the rear of the car with your left foot, by braking, instead of steering like mad.

Yes, you can be cooler than you are today and do things slightly later than you think. You need fish blood to do it (or a large purse, to repair the car after the first crash).

Why am I posting this? Well, I want all of you, lightheaded street racers to think for a moment: the only way you can learn to do this is in a circuit. No graph contemplation will teach your cerebellum to do all this.

You will never learn all this by taking your car to a lonely road. Please, take a racing course, race only on a track.

Oh, and my usual rant: teach your kids to drive when they are very young (on a private road, of course: they can start by handling only the steering wheel at 6 years old or maybe earlier). Teach them all of this. Teach them to watch other drivers when they drive. You can learn something from everybody.
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Thanks Ciro :D :D =D>

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It's an interesting graph, and illustrates the advantages of one foot on the gas and one foot on the brake versus one foot doing both chores.

The graph of the Montreal hairpin shows that Michael braked later, but also carried the braking action further into the corner. This falls into line with Michael's statement that he trail-brakes. Also, he continually uses a little gas to balance the car out, and maintain stability. I have done the same thing on my racing simulator, and I can say it works.
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Giblet, I'm sure many of us here would appreciate it if you could give us your own short take of the most important points in that link. :)

Anyway, the MS-vs-RB comparison Ciro reposted above seems to corroborate similar observations made between Schumacher and Herbert's driving styles back in their Benetton days. I'm sure the Youtube version of that video had already been posted in another thread in the forum somewhere.

Compared to Herbert, he braked marginally earlier yet more gradually while still keeping his foot constantly on the throttle, keeping the revs up and balancing the car with both brake & throttle, and carrying more speed into the corner & on the exit. Compared to Herbert's smoother steering tracings, Schumi's data also showed numerous & continuous minute corrections, suggesting that he had the car on the limit of adhesion most of the time.

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I don't have much to add, but I do think Rubens could have been a much better driver, much earlier, if he went to left foot breaking waaaaay earlier in his career.
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Giblet wrote:I don't have much to add, but I do think Rubens could have been a much better driver, much earlier, if he went to left foot breaking waaaaay earlier in his career.
I must say I'm surprised that Barichello can be competitive at all with right foot braking. Are there more recent F1 drivers that brake with their right foot?

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He was the last one.
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If you don't lift off the throttle completely while braking will this increase you braking path?
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-KMR_NH- wrote:If you don't lift off the throttle completely while braking will this increase you braking path?
As longs as tyre traction is still the limiting factor in braking, and the brakes themselves are somewhat overcapable (hence, capable of locking the wheels at maximum downforce levels), I'd say you can use some of that extra braking to keep the throttle on.

But to be honest, Rubens is, in theory, saving some fuel compared to Michael, perhaps it'll pay off in the 2010 season? :D

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in those graphs an important information is missing.
does x represent distance travelled or time?
so the fact if you are accelerating earlier or later is not the hot question ,it is where are you and when at which speed...
so without having a marker for two points on the track to compare the graphs I find these graphs interesting but..
wht strikes me is Schumacher shifting down later ,but also later up... so he gains on entry but looses out on exit? later upshifts could ,if they had the same gears,only mean he is slower out of thaat corner...or Rubens does not use full revs on upshifts.. so information is missing here.