Red Bull RB6

[autogyro]

The downforce would have been visibly and quantifiably reduced had the double diffuser not been invented/allowed. The changes to the wings while not aesthetically pleasing to some, did much of what was intended.

I think the approach was correct, however the rule makers failed to see what could be done to claw back the downforce taken away. In modern times they always manage to regain some of the downforce that the FIA tries to remove, but the DDD managed to skew everything.

I don't want spec cars, but I have no problem with some spec parts. If they all had a spec floor and spec diffuser, it would not effect the racing.

Much respect to Newey for making a car that could compete with the DDD on near terms before slapping on their own version last year.

+1 Newey is still at the top IMO and the RB6 is the one to chase.
A limit on the actual DF maximum is the answer to overtaking I believe, as suggested on another thread. However, I think we should keep this thread on topic.

[marcush.]

back on topic we still have no idea why the RB was sitting so high in parc ferme...

was this true to both cars?

there is definitively something going on there and my question is :why should the car -if this was a passive system- gain rideheight when unloaded?

one could think of a two spring system where at the start of the race you would only use 1 of the two springs you got stacked up in series.-giving you a stiff setup.for high fuelloads.
With the stop for tyres the car releases the second spring in the spring stack and
the car departs with the two spring softer setup giving you lower rideheight ..maybe it is as simple as a droop limiter that can be released during the pit stop and the car is running without droop limitation after the stop? any video from the pitstop
available?

[segedunum]

The plot thickens. Ron Dennis has even waded in:

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/60460 ... zzling-Car

Quite why Ron Dennis would be commenting on this when he is most decidedly out of Formula One I have no idea. That's a bit odd. Mind you, Lewis Hamilton's refreshingly honest comments yesterday were quite damning so I suppose other teams need some crumbs of comfort rather desperately.

There is something pretty strange about what the exact cause of this was and Renault have recently announced a raft of 'reliability' changes, but I can't imagine this is a fuel efficiency issue with the Renault. It would have been obvious to them in testing and it's difficult to understand how this would have been magically triggered fifteen laps from the end via a low fuel level. Fifteen laps with two minutes for each is a long way. Mark Webber didn't look as if he had any issues on that front, although he was going slower.

[CHT]

It is hard to imagine RBR or Renault could miscalculate the fuel consumption because fuel consumption is easily quantifiable and there are no restrictions to engine testing.

I believe the 1 car who might be conserving his engine is webber because of the oil overflow problem during the first few corners of the race.

[autogyro]

To be fair there wasn't an overtake there, and it all happened in the first two laps when everything is still fairly unpredictable. In Bahrain this year Alonso overtook Massa on the first lap. Didn't mean that there was lots of overtaking throughout the rest of the race.

Red Bull RB6 Thread
Ride height control?

[marcush.]

still the jury is out to explain why the RB was HIGH in parc ferme ...without driver and fuel empty...it should be low low low ...or what???

[Mysticf1]

I keep reading in this thread that the RB6 was high after the race, but is there any evidence of this? a photo perhaps?

[marcush.]

Is it just the perspective of the shot, or does it look like the floor is actually scraping the rear tyres?

It's not scraping the tyres, but it's almost touching. That's another way to get downforce.
The reasoning behind it is that the tyre has a stagnation point in front of it, where the pressure is very high. This pressure can be used to create down-force when coupled with the suction under the floor.
In another sense it is a way of scavenging off the drag created by the wheels and making down force out of it. This improves lift to drag ratio.

Here is a pressure plot i did of a moving wheel, notice the high pressure infront:

this was the pic ,you can see the car is so high that it is scraping the tyres at the floor!

[autogyro]

This has to be a 'default' ride height.
Which means the ride height is either adjustable by the driver or 'active'.
Regs?

[Morteza]

Ron Dennis' idea about Red Bull's problem, really interesting!

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-new ... l-problem/

This part's amazing! "Either it has too small a fuel tank or the fuel consumption is higher than expected."

[autogyro]

Ron Dennis' idea about Red Bull's problem, really interesting!

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-new ... l-problem/

This part's amazing! "Either it has too small a fuel tank or the fuel consumption is higher than expected."

Ron is simply covering for the posibility of a faulty McLaren supplied ECU if it was not a plug.
Check out Webber in the identical car and tank size.

[Morteza]

Ron Dennis' idea about Red Bull's problem, really interesting!

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-new ... l-problem/

This part's amazing! "Either it has too small a fuel tank or the fuel consumption is higher than expected."

Ron is simply covering for the posibility of a faulty McLaren supplied ECU if it was not a plug.
Check out Webber in the identical car and tank size.

Dude! I think it's Ronspeak again!

Adrian Newey's designs even at McLaren were faced by engine problems, and for example MP4-20 was the fastest that year, but the engines being unreliable cost the team badly. Now at Red Bull he is still facing these problems, and it's intolerable to see him fail

By the way, Webber has stated in an interview that this season overtaking is almost impossible, and there is even no sniff to do it!

[raymondu999]

we should remember Macca makes those ECUs. Sabotage? (Note: this was a joking post and in no way meant as slander)

[marcush.]

Ron Dennis' idea about Red Bull's problem, really interesting!

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-new ... l-problem/

This part's amazing! "Either it has too small a fuel tank or the fuel consumption is higher than expected."

Ron is simply covering for the posibility of a faulty McLaren supplied ECU if it was not a plug.
Check out Webber in the identical car and tank size.

Dude! I think it's Ronspeak again!

Adrian Newey's designs even at McLaren were faced by engine problems, and for example MP4-20 was the fastest that year, but the engines being unreliable cost the team badly. Now at Red Bull he is still facing these problems, and it's intolerable to see him fail

it is quite funny that some guys in motorsport carry the same probs from team to team I remember for example alan jenkins who managed to have oil surge trouble
wherever he was involved be it indycars ,F1 designs you name it.

Does Neway have a big influence on detail design nowadays? Maybe the engine installation is not where he excells or even is interested so the guys doing that part might have not much in terms of checking from senior side because of this and weaknesses slip thru..as nobody really is the seasoned pro in this area...just a thought..

It is a bit like Wirth semingly at a loss with erasing the hydraulic dramas...they still learn and have not reached the bottom of the problem.

[myurr]

still the jury is out to explain why the RB was HIGH in parc ferme ...without driver and fuel empty...it should be low low low ...or what???

It should be high - as the weight comes off the car the springs will lift it higher.