Red Bull RB6

[BreezyRacer]

I have never seen so many otherwise intelligent individuals spending so much effort on such little evidence.

Ride height control?

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<strike>Spare me .. downforce hasn't been any less important than it is now there is ZERO evidence of such a system. The pics all look normal to me.</strike> 

Well maybe there is something to this but no details on how it works. http://www.f1technical.net/development/288

Gas tank too small? Zero evidence of that either.

Spark plug conspiracy? We'll never know about that one and it doesn't matter anyway.

Well the soon the season will be in full swing and put these silly claims to rest. There is no magic bullet here, there is just careful packaging and optimal aero .. and yes, if RB had managed to get a Mercedes power plant everyone else would be looking like fools right now.

Let's let the race results talk now ..

[autogyro]

Wassup breezy, you sound peeved about sumint.

[BreezyRacer]

Well, yeah I guess it's just all this speculation without basis that annoys me.

And what's up with pics this year? Last year we had all kinds of tech pics to pa-rouse through. It seem like this year no juicy bits. Maybe that's what's leading to all the speculation without any evidence.

[Ciro Pabón]

Please, I just cleared this thread, again.

This is a thread about the car. Post comments about the race in the race thread. Any person in doubt about where to post, please, post in the race thread.

Next post in this thread that doesn't analyze the car (DO NOT MENTION THE RACE!) will get a warning. This must be the first threat I make in this forum, but enough is enough.

Please, reread BreezyRacer previous comments (thanks, BreezyRacer).

I will erase this post as soon as this thread resembles a normal car thread.

[Downforce]

Here is a clearer picture of diffuser window for exhaust blowing effect.

[BreezyRacer]

Nice pic. It also shows the floor's new knife edge instead of the rolled up VG edge they had been using.

[ringo]

that somewhat confirms this concept:

[Mysticf1]

It seems Vettel's retirement was a Redbull problem

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-new ... e-failure/

However, a press release from Brembo on Tuesday afternoon explains that it was in fact a lost torque bar which caused the Red Bull's retirement.

'Post-race investigations revealed the wheel nut was correctly tightened at the pit-stop as well as other possible causes of the fault,' the Brembo statement reads.

'The team has communicated that it's studying a number of solutions at present, which can be implemented for the Malaysian Grand Prix.'

Yet another strange component failure

[HungryHebbo]

I saw this on Autosport...can somebody explain what a torque-bar is?!

[Mysticf1]

There are pins or bars as described by brembo that are fixed to the hub and seat into holes in the wheel to stop the wheel free spinning...like wheel studs on a road car.

[bonjon1979]

I have never seen so many otherwise intelligent individuals spending so much effort on such little evidence.

Ride height control?

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<strike>Spare me .. downforce hasn't been any less important than it is now there is ZERO evidence of such a system. The pics all look normal to me.</strike> 

Well maybe there is something to this but no details on how it works. http://www.f1technical.net/development/288

Gas tank too small? Zero evidence of that either.

Spark plug conspiracy? We'll never know about that one and it doesn't matter anyway.

Well the soon the season will be in full swing and put these silly claims to rest. There is no magic bullet here, there is just careful packaging and optimal aero .. and yes, if RB had managed to get a Mercedes power plant everyone else would be looking like fools right now.

Let's let the race results talk now ..

There is compelling evidence to suggest that Red Bull do have a system to control the ride height though.

In qualifying, the floor of the car could be heard scraping along the surface of the road. In Parc ferme it was up so high 'that the rear tyres were in contact with the car's floor, a position that obviously never be useful when running.'. I'm sorry, but something must be happening for that change to occur - so the question naturally arises, how could they be doing it?

I'm with you on the other things though - ie spark plug and fuel tank, red bull herrings, methinks...

[segedunum]

It seems Vettel's retirement was a Redbull problem

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-new ... ke-failure

Not surprised. Either it's an inherent car problem in its general design or Red Bull have some generic QC issues. Discussing that is probably not going to be productive because it really could be anything. We're just not qualified to look at the Red Bull and judge whether what they have on there is simply too unreliable.

[segedunum]

There is compelling evidence to suggest that Red Bull do have a system to control the ride height though. In qualifying, the floor of the car could be heard scraping along the surface of the road. In Parc ferme it was up so high 'that the rear tyres were in contact with the car's floor, a position that obviously never be useful when running.'.

I can certainly agree that the car was scraping along in qualifying and it looked rather high in parc ferme, but we have to definitively prove that they are doing what we allege. That's damn impossible and is the only we we can get this discussion forwards. It could end up being like the McLaren F-duct thing. Have we seen Red Bull mechanics doing anything manual to the car before a race or in a pit stop?

It's worse than traction control. Given the suspension travel and the effect of aerodynamics Red Bull could quite legitimately claim that those things are having more of a profound effect on the ride height of the car. The problem is, no car has any set ride height when it is moving (largely thanks to Ferrari and the panic over the Lotus 88), and you have to transfer the default stationary ride height to the car when it's moving and judge. The only thing there is for measuring the ride height while the car is moving is the plank, and that's just to make sure the car isn't running dangerously low.

Maybe the regulations need changed so that a team sets a ride height for the car prior to qualifying and a plank is adjusted accordingly by scrutineers to that ride height, and if the plank is worn too much at the end of the race they get disqualified? All I think can be done here is to close potential loopholes. I don't think anything will get proved, which is why other teams are going to have to get their thinking caps on. This is a big area of development, if it exists. The active suspension era proved that.

I'm sorry, but something must be happening for that change to occur - so the question naturally arises, how could they be doing it?

I know, but we need ideas and a smoking gun or two. We can't just keep repeating that they have something.

[bonjon1979]

There is compelling evidence to suggest that Red Bull do have a system to control the ride height though. In qualifying, the floor of the car could be heard scraping along the surface of the road. In Parc ferme it was up so high 'that the rear tyres were in contact with the car's floor, a position that obviously never be useful when running.'.

I can certainly agree that the car was scraping along in qualifying and it looked rather high in parc ferme, but we have to definitively prove that they are doing what we allege. That's damn impossible and is the only we we can get this discussion forwards. It could end up being like the McLaren F-duct thing. Have we seen Red Bull mechanics doing anything manual to the car before a race or in a pit stop?

It's worse than traction control. Given the suspension travel and the effect of aerodynamics Red Bull could quite legitimately claim that those things are having more of a profound effect on the ride height of the car. The problem is, no car has any set ride height when it is moving (largely thanks to Ferrari and the panic over the Lotus 88), and you have to transfer the default stationary ride height to the car when it's moving and judge. The only thing there is for measuring the ride height while the car is moving is the plank, and that's just to make sure the car isn't running dangerously low.

Maybe the regulations need changed so that a team sets a ride height for the car prior to qualifying and a plank is adjusted accordingly by scrutineers to that ride height, and if the plank is worn too much at the end of the race they get disqualified? All I think can be done here is to close potential loopholes. I don't think anything will get proved, which is why other teams are going to have to get their thinking caps on. This is a big area of development, if it exists. The active suspension era proved that.

I'm sorry, but something must be happening for that change to occur - so the question naturally arises, how could they be doing it?

I know, but we need ideas and a smoking gun or two. We can't just keep repeating that they have something.

Agreed, interesting that Horner has asked for clarification on suspension rules.

[forty-two]

Out of interest, Brembo have denied any blame for Vettel going off in Melbourne:

http://www.f1sa.net/index.php?option=co ... Itemid=157