Red Bull RB6

[autogyro]

I will try again.
Imagine the cars sprung mass as a cube mounted on a spring.
Any force down on the cube, extra fuel weight, DF etc will compress the spring which will act as a conventional suspension.
The bottom of the spring is joined at a spring plate to a shaft which connects to a piston in a cylinder.
The cylinder is part of the hub carrier and is unsprung.
There is oil either side of the piston fed from an oil reservoir which is pressurized with gas.
There is a pressure measuring valve at the feed for both the upper and lower sides of the cylinder and a pressure changing valve on each side.
When load increases on the coil spring the spring shortens in length but it also increases the load on the piston in the cylinder this increases the pressure against the gas supply to the lower part of the cylinder this opens the pressure valve to the lower part of the cylinder increasing feed pressure and pushing the piston up to a pre determined point that maintains the wanted ride height plus the difference in spring length.
The system is continualy operating to keep the ride heigh the same and even, no matter what the load input source/amount or the vehicle dynamic loads.
When the car is stationary and there are no inputs the pressure is slightly biased to jack the vehicle mass up to maximum. This helps to keep the plank off the ground and keeps the system legal in parc ferme.
Now work out the dozen at least variations that can be designed into an F1 suspension geometry.

[cmehle]

Would it be allowed to change the rideheight / suspension settings directly at the start of the race?

After the lights go out there is a very small amount of time when the car is in race-condition but at standstill (driver reaction time).

This idea has several implications which will prove it useless ^^ but i was just wondering... i couldn't find any statement the car has to be in the pits for the adjustment to be legal.

[Belatti]

On the other side it seems that the RB6 is low only on straights which could be the simple result of downforce.

ehhemm... Renault engine :-"

Sorry, but nobody spoke of top speed. Of course I meant a low ride height.

Sorry, I mess all up

So, how is that "it seems"... pics or quotes, please?

[Belatti]

I will try again.
Imagine the cars sprung mass as a cube mounted on a spring.
Any force down on the cube, extra fuel weight, DF etc will compress the spring which will act as a conventional suspension.
The bottom of the spring is joined at a spring plate to a shaft which connects to a piston in a cylinder.
The cylinder is part of the hub carrier and is unsprung.
There is oil either side of the piston fed from an oil reservoir which is pressurized with gas.
There is a pressure measuring valve at the feed for both the upper and lower sides of the cylinder and a pressure changing valve on each side.
When load increases on the coil spring the spring shortens in length but it also increases the load on the piston in the cylinder this increases the pressure against the gas supply to the lower part of the cylinder this opens the pressure valve to the lower part of the cylinder increasing feed pressure and pushing the piston up to a pre determined point that maintains the wanted ride height plus the difference in spring length.
The system is continualy operating to keep the ride heigh the same and even, no matter what the load input source/amount or the vehicle dynamic loads.
When the car is stationary and there are no inputs the pressure is slightly biased to jack the vehicle mass up to maximum. This helps to keep the plank off the ground and keeps the system legal in parc ferme.
Now work out the dozen at least variations that can be designed into an F1 suspension geometry.

Sorry sir, but I think you live in wonderland. Its not that easy.
Besides, I doubt the spring and damper are mounted in series like you say.

[xpensive]

I will try again.
Imagine the cars sprung mass as a cube mounted on a spring.
Any force down on the cube, extra fuel weight, DF etc will compress the spring which will act as a conventional suspension.
The bottom of the spring is joined at a spring plate to a shaft which connects to a piston in a cylinder.
The cylinder is part of the hub carrier and is unsprung.
There is oil either side of the piston fed from an oil reservoir which is pressurized with gas.
There is a pressure measuring valve at the feed for both the upper and lower sides of the cylinder and a pressure changing valve on each side.
When load increases on the coil spring the spring shortens in length but it also increases the load on the piston in the cylinder this increases the pressure against the gas supply to the lower part of the cylinder this opens the pressure valve to the lower part of the cylinder increasing feed pressure and pushing the piston up to a pre determined point that maintains the wanted ride height plus the difference in spring length.
The system is continualy operating to keep the ride heigh the same and even, no matter what the load input source/amount or the vehicle dynamic loads.
When the car is stationary and there are no inputs the pressure is slightly biased to jack the vehicle mass up to maximum. This helps to keep the plank off the ground and keeps the system legal in parc ferme.
Now work out the dozen at least variations that can be designed into an F1 suspension geometry.

Another invention perhaps?

[Intego]

Rumours say: maybe it's compressed gas ...

[RacingManiac]

honestly that just sounds like another damper....

[Intego]

So, how is that "it seems"... pics or quotes, please?

RB6 in Australia on Saturday: little higher in corners and little lower on straights

But I'm not that sure any more :^o

EDIT: Sorry for german page.

[RacingManiac]

As they should be, they are going "a little" faster on the straight, with "a little" more downforce.....

[autogyro]

I will try again.
Imagine the cars sprung mass as a cube mounted on a spring.
Any force down on the cube, extra fuel weight, DF etc will compress the spring which will act as a conventional suspension.
The bottom of the spring is joined at a spring plate to a shaft which connects to a piston in a cylinder.
The cylinder is part of the hub carrier and is unsprung.
There is oil either side of the piston fed from an oil reservoir which is pressurized with gas.
There is a pressure measuring valve at the feed for both the upper and lower sides of the cylinder and a pressure changing valve on each side.
When load increases on the coil spring the spring shortens in length but it also increases the load on the piston in the cylinder this increases the pressure against the gas supply to the lower part of the cylinder this opens the pressure valve to the lower part of the cylinder increasing feed pressure and pushing the piston up to a pre determined point that maintains the wanted ride height plus the difference in spring length.
The system is continualy operating to keep the ride heigh the same and even, no matter what the load input source/amount or the vehicle dynamic loads.
When the car is stationary and there are no inputs the pressure is slightly biased to jack the vehicle mass up to maximum. This helps to keep the plank off the ground and keeps the system legal in parc ferme.
Now work out the dozen at least variations that can be designed into an F1 suspension geometry.

Another invention perhaps?

Its to simple and basic and has been done before.
It would be a laugh though if RB did not have anything interesting and this site has got the whole F1 technical old boys network running around like headless chickens. Love it I do.

[Intego]

As they should be, they are going "a little" faster on the straight, with "a little" more downforce.....

Yes, I thought it was the only effect.

Ferrari is suggested to have a mechanical system that is altered at first stop. (German article)

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Autogyro

What you posted made some sense, thank you for that.

Bellati seems to think its a simple idea, However the more I think of how you can make such a system practically possible, the more complex it becomes.

Can we all agree that its a very clever ride height adjuster?
Im off to peruse the FIA rule book to get the low down on this "adjustment" issue.
Gascoyne and Whitmarsh have both said if it changes the ride height, their interpretation of the law means it is outlawed.
Only a few hours to go before Ferrari's anticipated "clarification of the law" request from the FIA.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=362347


best i can do at the mo

[Intego]

BTW: If the alleged ride-height control with compressed gas exploded in Australian race there would be an advice as why Vettel first stated he felt his brake disc exploded.

[cmehle]

just found this, hope it's not a repost:
http://www.formula1journal.com/2010/03/ ... lood1.html

but if McLaren are so furious... it can't be that simple and easily copied