Do there any vegetarian racing driver?

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manchild wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:That seems only fair to me...
That's problems in your analysis - you are self-centric. It is fair to you because it suits you. You don't think further than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellianism
Nicely out of context there. :wink: Read the rest of it - it seems to be to be the least one can do if one is going to eat something to ensure that it doesn't suffer unncessarily. And I know you'll say that you think it all unnecessary and that is your right.
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manchild wrote:Industrial farming is killing the planet, also, if soil used for production of cattle food was used for rye for instance, there's be no hunger on planet.
Yea, try to live eating only rice, genius. You will be anemic in less than it takes you to understand what's wrong. You'll end up like the tofu-eating lion in Futurama.
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We're only omnivore animals. We can't live eating only vegetables.

Cheers!

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manchild wrote:
Belatti wrote:OK, this sounds right. I agree with it.

However I will keep eating meat.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not imposing, just preaching. I was also learned to eat meat, and I've enjoyed it for over 30 years before ethical reasons forced me to quit eating and wearing leather. It is absolutely pointless to force someone to become vegetarian or vegan. It has to be self-derived.

If people were forced to slaughter and chop the animals all by themselves, most of them would not eat meat. Industrialization is the biggest obstacle in human development, since the potential is there, 99% of people would puke if they'd ever seen how slaughter looks like, but they never did, since they by processed meat in the supermarkets.

if people had to mill there own wood most wouldn't build houses.
If they had to build there own car most would walk.


I for one prefer to slaughter my own meat. After seeing what the inside of a packing plant looks like ill do it my self when I can. I don't have a problem with eating meat but the way animals are treated in today factory farms is disgusting. I also agree that modern farming methods are destroying the environment. But in many ways modern farming is helping to fix its sins of past years. The real problem isn't the farming its the number of people we now have feed.

I don't find not eating meat any more noble than raising it or slaughtering it your self. Its all a personal choice we have to make.

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flynfrog wrote:if people had to mill there own wood most wouldn't build houses.
If they had to build there own car most would walk.
If there was no industrial farming, most of the people would be able to get enough food for themselves. Check my post about soil used for plants used as cattle food. Billions are lacking food or starving.
sebbe wrote:Yea, try to live eating only rice, genius. You will be anemic in less than it takes you to understand what's wrong. You'll end up like the tofu-eating lion in Futurama.
No one said that such soil would be used for only one spices of vegetables.

Regarding being anemic, I think you've missed my post mentioning some top athletes like Carl Lewis 10 Olympics medal owner, who converted from vegetarianism to veganism during his brilliant career.

World record on strictly vegan food:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54KyNxKi2EY[/youtube]

I guess these were "anemic" too, so their brains malfunctioned. :roll:

da Vinci, Edison, Einstein, Pythagoras, Schweitzer, Tesla...

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manchild wrote:
I guess these were "anemic" too, so their brains malfunctioned. :roll:

da Vinci, Edison, Einstein, Pythagoras, Schweitzer, Tesla...
While its true what you state, its also true that many people that turns veggie without informing themselves suffer from several health problems due to the lack of proteins, minerals or vitamins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W5x5kugnbs
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The vast majority in the west however simply listen to the retail food industry like lemmings and become obese.
Go take a look up your own street.

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manchild wrote:
flynfrog wrote:if people had to mill there own wood most wouldn't build houses.
If they had to build there own car most would walk.
If there was no industrial farming, most of the people would be able to get enough food for themselves. Check my post about soil used for plants used as cattle food. Billions are lacking food or starving.

I agree that growing grain to feed animals makes little sense. I will also agree that our modern appetite for meat is well above historical norms. I am also not a huge fan of government subsidized industrial farming either (this is the real problem in the states we are selling grain below the cost of production). But going away from industrial framing will not produce more food it will be much less. We make more than enough food right now. Its a distribution problem. Its also a medical problem. You have populations of people in non fertile area with insane birth rates. This wasn't so bad before modern medicine but now the death rate is not keeping up with the birth rate and the local food supplies cant keep up. We can grow plenty of food but many of these countries have no means to distribute it to there people. Or the leaders keep it for there armies.

you keep on bringing up Joe Lewis what about all of the track stars with records that did not have the advantage of being vegan. I wonder how they did it.

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I always love to put this one in front of those who get defensive "don't tell me what to eat" or similar stuff like "people are omnivores so it is normal for them to eat meat".

There were, and in some parts of the world there still are cannibals. They eat humans naturally. So, what if you were to be eaten by them, would you consider that as acceptable or as a murder?

flynfrog (and others) , please don't be bothered to read this.
1 kg of tomatoes requires 190 litres of water, 1kg of beef requires 43,500 litres of water.

Like all the products we buy,meat is made up of inputs.The largest are water, grain, land, and energy. Others include hormones to promote growth, antibiotics to prevent disease, and fertilizers and pesticides to grow the feed.

To produce a kilogram of grain-fed beef, it takes, on average, 10 kg of grain and 680 litres of water. Pigs require about 4 kg of grain to produce 1 kg of pork and chickens require 2 kg of grain to produce 1 kg of meat. In comparison, according to a study in California, 1 kg of tomatoes requires 190 litres of water, 1 kg of potatoes requires 198 litres of water, 1 kg of wheat requires 209 litres of water—but 1 kg of ranch-raised beef can require as much as a whopping 43,500 litres of water. Even rice,which uses more water than any other grain, requires one-tenth the water needed to produce meat.

In order to meet our demand for meat, millions of tonnes of grain are diverted to feed livestock.More than 1⁄3 of the world’s total grain harvest is fed to livestock. Much of this grain is imported from developing countries where farmers are encouraged to use land to grow export crops for the West. Even during the famine of the mid 1980s, Ethiopia was exporting grain that could have been used to feed its own people to the West—feed for livestock.

Another requirement to raise livestock is land.An equivalent amount of land can feed six times more people eating a plant-based diet than people eating a meat-based diet. The North American meat industry therefore looks to the south for cheaper land,which has resulted in cattle ranching becoming a major cause of rainforest destruction in Central and South America.Ranchers clear forests and drain wetlands to graze cattle for export, or to grow feed for animals, instead of growing crops for local consumption.

This results in the loss of trees and habitat, as well as many different species of plants, animals, and insects.Cattle ranching also affects North American land because it has a huge impact on soil erosion.Around 30 percent of our farmland is
used as pasture for cattle. In Canada alone, the amount of soil the prairies lose each year due to wind and water erosion is 305 million tonnes.Although the trees weren’t cut down specifically for cattle, approximately 260,000 head of cattle currently graze in the temporary meadows created by clearcuts in BC. Without access to this government land that has been clearcut, the head of BC’s Cattleman’s Association says there would be no beef industry in this province.

Energy is required throughout the meat production process. According to a 1992 study by Alberta Agriculture,meat production requires,on average, 10 – 20 times more energy per edible tonne than grain production. In other words, per unit of
energy input,many more people can be fed with grain than with meat. Garbage is a huge by-product of our general over-consumption.Aside from the packaging, you would think that eating meat does not create all that much waste.However, livestock accounts for most of Canada’s raw sewage pollution.According to Environment Canada, about 40 kg of manure are produced for each kilogram of edible beef that is eventually brought to market.The mounds of manure and streams of urine produced by livestock can permeate our drinking and ground water.

The outbreak of cryptosporidium which hit thousands of people in the Okanagan in the summer of 1996 is thought to be linked in part to the manure of cattle grazing
in clearcuts near the watershed.The manure and urine waste, plus the pesticides and fertilizers used to grow feed, are among the largest sources of water pollution in North America.Manure is also a source of the greenhouse gas methane. Combine this with the methane gas released during the cattle’s digestive process, and you find that farm animals were responsible for 27 percent of the anthropogenic methane generated in Canada in 1990.

So,when someone eats meat they are also consuming hundreds of litres of water, many kilograms of grain, tonnes of topsoil, acres of trees and plants, and countless species of insects and animals; they are diverting food resources away from people who really need them, and creating tonnes of waste and pollution.
Given these environmental costs, it is odd that our society centres its diet so strongly around meat.The fact that we consume so much more meat than the rest of the world when we don’t need to is a clear example of how wasteful our society is—and the need to change.A good way to bring things into balance is to start with our food choices.A simple reduction in the amount of meat we consume will be good for people, good for the animals and good for the planet. So celebrate Earth Day by enjoying an earth friendly plant-based meal.
http://www.earthsave.ca/files/why_does_the_earth.pdf

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Manchild, as has happened a few times before, you take an issue to the extreme, although I personally hope that this ends well. Like you've said before, neither extreme is good.
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manchild wrote:I guess these were "anemic" too, so their brains malfunctioned. :roll:

da Vinci, Edison, Einstein, Pythagoras, Schweitzer, Tesla...
Nope, I didn't link vegetarianism with a "weak" brain. It's just your mind drifting away once again.

And cannibalism is a social habit; not an alimentary diet.

Maybe your lack of good humor is because you're too angry about not eating a big chop of recently slaughtered calf.
Go back to the dog picture and smile, please.
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Don't worry mx. Judging by sebbe's lack of counter-arguments I think I won this one. :mrgreen:

I think he fell for subliminal message. That is not a stake but a t for tobacco. What a shame...

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The answer is simple, reduce the American food intake by 50 percent job done.

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The way I look at it is:

Some folks are veggies and some folk are meat eaters.

Live and let live and everything is cool. 8)

Just stop trying to convert people. I think if I became a veegie I would certainly starve! :wtf:

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manchild wrote:
flynfrog wrote:if people had to mill there own wood most wouldn't build houses.
If they had to build there own car most would walk.
If there was no industrial farming, most of the people would be able to get enough food for themselves.
Nope, most would starve to death because even if you put them in the middle of a fruit orchard they wouldn't know what to do to feed themselves.

Certainly in developed countries anyway. Hell, I know people who are proud not to be able to cook! Thankfully, I only have to work with them...

Imagine those sort of people trying to feed themselves without ready meals and fast food. It would certainly reduce the obesity rates! :lol:

In other parts of the world people aren't starving because there are cattle about - they're starving because fellow humans are doing their damnest to make them starve (or find other equally unpleasant ways to kill them) :(
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What's a short alternative name for vegetarian?








Prey!
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Sorry, couldn't resist.
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