Spanish GP 2010 - Barcelona

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First corner smash I reckon between Alonso and Hamilton. Webber will be caught in it because he is just so damn unlucky sometimes and Vettel will scamper off into the distance with Schumacher, Button and Kubica in hot pursuit. :mrgreen:

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Anyone hear Lewis hit limited in the chicane btw?

He was driving hard, and exiting the right hander he was bouncing off the limiter, might explain his poor S3... I hear when an F1 car hits the limiter it can be quite bad. Sounds good tho :p

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PNSD wrote:Anyone hear Lewis hit limited in the chicane btw?

He was driving hard, and exiting the right hander he was bouncing off the limiter, might explain his poor S3... I hear when an F1 car hits the limiter it can be quite bad. Sounds good tho :p
Yeah I picked up on that too. I wonder if he was spinning his wheels at the time. If he wasn't spinning his wheels, perhaps the gear ratios don't do well on this chicken.

Pretty sure he didn't lose eight tenths doing it mind you!
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If rain is not forecast for tomorrow, I think I'll sleep in. If no rain, a Red Bull parade.
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ringo wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote:Rosberg struggling on P9.
Your enjoying this aren't you? :lol: Rubbing salt in the wounds now that shumacher makes a turn around. Rosberg fans may not be so forgiving next time, since shumi has no more excuses. :wink:
And, pray tell, what excuses does rosberg have? Has he been away from the sport for 3 years?

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ringo wrote:Funny none of the referees are jumping out with their yellow cards this time around. :lol:
The fine is the best decision of course, pretty calm response to a trivial matter.

Though if one is cynical, it can be said Ferrari didn't want to have to bunch up behind rosberg then waste time building a 30s gap to get some clean air.
There was what 4 minutes left? So i think they purposely tried to get Alonso out first.
This is virtually the same thing as in china but more deliberate, but we don't see the safety referees hollering this time around, i wonder why? :mrgreen:

So what are the predictions? Vettel loses p2 to Lewis in turns 1 to 2. And fights from behind as he gets quicker as the fuel burns. Looks like an exciting race round the back with Button, Alonso, Kubica and Shumi.
The situation with Freds near collision with NR is precisely as it should be. The team released him at the worse possible time. I think the fine is a little lax. The team screwed up. Only Nico's and Fred's quick reflexes kept both of them from having to retire from quali.
As for predictions I think Fred will move to the clean line ahead of Button, and behind "The Boss" Of course Webber could have one of his famous front row melt downs. (although I think he's over that now). It should be an interesting first couple of corners.
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donskar wrote:If rain is not forecast for tomorrow, I think I'll sleep in. If no rain, a Red Bull parade.
If no rain, have a Red Bull to keep you awake (I think I'll have two)!!!
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ringo wrote:Funny none of the referees are jumping out with their yellow cards this time around. :lol:
The fine is the best decision of course, pretty calm response to a trivial matter.
Why a fine and not just a reprimand? They seem to come in handy when other driver(s) misbehave.
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What makes the RBR's so damn fast? Today prooves that it is not just Vettle, good job by Webbo, let's see if he can get his first legit win over Vettle.

Good job by LH and Alonso... LH & JB get a chance to improve a position by starting on the clean line... Again I still think the space between rows should be increased... it is now a disadvantage & penalty to start in P2(&P4 and so on)... this can lead to some desperate starts by some drivers.

Good job by the stweards for only fining Alonso&Co for that unsafe release... a grid penalty would have been excessive... but the fine seems to be smaller than what Vettle/RBR got last year... anyone confirm?

Great job by Kobay... quite dissapointed by Massa, but has allways been sometimey.

Hope it rains, and then stops and then rains again... or all be be watching is if RBR can lap the field.

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Does anyone have any detail of the Alonso pitlane incident. It just seems strange that there wasn't someone guiding the car out despite Ferrari, along with all other teams, doing this always. When Massa went out shortly after Alonso, he had someone guide him out.

Whilst a fine is correct, should it be the team or the driver? Did Alonso go before the team told him to do so? Just seems a bit of a school-boy error for an experienced team. Pretty fundamental stuff pitlane safety.

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Most driver's fines are paid by the team anyway so it really doesnt matter.. especially for the big time drivers.

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ringo wrote:Funny none of the referees are jumping out with their yellow cards this time around. :lol:
The fine is the best decision of course, pretty calm response to a trivial matter.
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This is virtually the same thing as in china but more deliberate, but we don't see the safety referees hollering this time around, i wonder why? :mrgreen:
There are no penalties for pitlane incidents during qualifying unlike during the race. A fine was the only option as far as I am aware.

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Just teasing the people ready to jump out on anything involving polarizing drivers. A fine or warning for the team was expected, so were the other reprimands in the other races. Just pointing out that some feel the stewards don't know what they are doing and they should push the issue.

Glad that Alonso kept his grid spot. I want to see if Vettel will crack under pressure like he did in turkey.

What's the weather update?

edit, found it here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/5001
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ISLAMATRON wrote:What makes the RBR's so damn fast? Today prooves that it is not just Vettle, good job by Webbo, let's see if he can get his first legit win over Vettle.
I would have thought his win at the Nurburgring last year was pretty legit, racing to the win despite a drive through penalty. (Also so WhiteBlue doesn't have to... Vettel, e before l yo 8) )

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andrew wrote:Does anyone have any detail of the Alonso pitlane incident. It just seems strange that there wasn't someone guiding the car out despite Ferrari, along with all other teams, doing this always. When Massa went out shortly after Alonso, he had someone guide him out.

Whilst a fine is correct, should it be the team or the driver? Did Alonso go before the team told him to do so? Just seems a bit of a school-boy error for an experienced team. Pretty fundamental stuff pitlane safety.
Andrew I don't see how anyone can blame it on Fred. The team is at fault.If nobody was there to guide him out their should have been!
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Tazio wrote:
andrew wrote:Does anyone have any detail of the Alonso pitlane incident. It just seems strange that there wasn't someone guiding the car out despite Ferrari, along with all other teams, doing this always. When Massa went out shortly after Alonso, he had someone guide him out.

Whilst a fine is correct, should it be the team or the driver? Did Alonso go before the team told him to do so? Just seems a bit of a school-boy error for an experienced team. Pretty fundamental stuff pitlane safety.
Andrew I don't see how anyone can blame it on Fred. The team is at fault.If nobody was there to guide him out their should have been!
This is the FiA communication on the issue. I have highlighted some relevant facts in bold.
FiA Stewards wrote:2010 Spanish Grand Prix
From: The FIA Stewards of the Meeting
To: The Team Manager Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro
Document: 32 Date: 08 May 2010 Time: 16:22

The Stewards, having received a report from the Race Director, and having heard evidence from a representative of the team, have considered the following matter, determine a breach of the regulations has been committed by the competitor named below and impose the penalty referred to.

No: 08
Driver: Fernando Alonso
Competitor: Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro
Time: 14:50
Session: Qualifying
Facts: Unsafe Release
Offence: Breach of Article 23.1 (j) of the 2010 F1 Sporting Regulations
Penalty: $20,000,

Article 31.1 of the 2010 F1 Sporting Regulations requires all pit lane and track and safety measures to
apply to all practice sessions as for the race.
The FIA Stewards of the Meeting
Garry Connelly Nicholas Deschaux Derek Warwick Joaquin Verdegay
The facts and offense are: Unsafe release causing breach of regulation

Alonso cannot release himself. Only the team can release him. So this clearly indicates that not Alonso but the team have been wrong and were penalised. Further the text says explicitly that the competitor and not the driver committed the breach of regulation. This issue should be closed by the quote of document 32.
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