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Mark Webber has run his race just like he did in qualifying yesterday by consistently being the fastest. He led from start to finish and didn't worry about the guys behind him. Lewis Hamilton went of in the last lap, allowing Alonso to be second and Vettel, despite late car worries third.
You are correct, for some reason i misremembered Vettle having an engine or gearbox penalty that weekend.megz wrote:I would have thought his win at the Nurburgring last year was pretty legit, racing to the win despite a drive through penalty. (Also so WhiteBlue doesn't have to... Vettel, e before l yoISLAMATRON wrote:What makes the RBR's so damn fast? Today prooves that it is not just Vettle, good job by Webbo, let's see if he can get his first legit win over Vettle.
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If Webber gets caught up in it then it'll be because he'll be going far too damn defensive at the start again for no reason whatsoever.andrew wrote:First corner smash I reckon between Alonso and Hamilton. Webber will be caught in it because he is just so damn unlucky sometimes....
I'm not convinced that is true with full tanks.bill shoe wrote:The time difference between RB and the other established teams is bigger than the time difference between the established teams and the new teams. The midfield now apparently runs from McLaren on back to Williams.
There was a indirect confirmation earlier this season (from Christian Horner?) that the Red Bull drivers are not allowed to race each other after the first couple corners if they are 1-2. I can handle a race procession if the 2 driver is unable to pass the 1 driver, but it's a bit of a sham if the 2 driver simply isn't allowed to pass. This kind of team order is banned by the rules but everyone knows these rules are not enforced.
There are so many secret rules, secret interpretations and understood non-enforcements. I think it would be more intellectually honest if F1 did like NASCAR and just didn't publish the rules.
Anyway, this RB dominance is impressive.
You could be right but we'll never know. This is where the RB team orders come in play. With team orders if Weber leads into turn 1 then he only needs to go fast enough to keep both RB's ahead of the next competitor. If there were no team orders then the two RB team mates would keep each other's pace honest throughout the race and we would actually see the true delta over a race distance.Tazio wrote: I'm not convinced that is true with full tanks.
I think Ferrari, McLaren, and Mercedes will be a lot closer to the front than the back in race trim!
Anyway, this RB "quali" dominance is impressive.
Interesting actually... if webber leads into the first corner then he will have to push harder to keep both the redbulls ahead....bill shoe wrote:You could be right but we'll never know. This is where the RB team orders come in play. With team orders if Weber leads into turn 1 then he only needs to go fast enough to keep both RB's ahead of the next competitor. If there were no team orders then the two RB team mates would keep each other's pace honest throughout the race and we would actually see the true delta over a race distance.Tazio wrote: I'm not convinced that is true with full tanks.
I think Ferrari, McLaren, and Mercedes will be a lot closer to the front than the back in race trim!
Anyway, this RB "quali" dominance is impressive.
The good news is that races are never as boring and straightforward as I predict.
if anyother team gets a good start from the line... (unlikely)... then the race will be much more interesting.....bill shoe wrote:The time difference between RB and the other established teams is bigger than the time difference between the established teams and the new teams. The midfield now apparently runs from McLaren on back to Williams.
There was a indirect confirmation earlier this season (from Christian Horner?) that the Red Bull drivers are not allowed to race each other after the first couple corners if they are 1-2. I can handle a race procession if the 2 driver is unable to pass the 1 driver, but it's a bit of a sham if the 2 driver simply isn't allowed to pass. This kind of team order is banned by the rules but everyone knows these rules are not enforced.
There are so many secret rules, secret interpretations and understood non-enforcements. I think it would be more intellectually honest if F1 did like NASCAR and just didn't publish the rules.
Anyway, this RB dominance is impressive.
Bill I don't for one minute think that if Mark is ahead by turn two that Vettel is prohibited from pushing Webber into making a mistake. I don't think that is what Horner meant. They are only prohibited from fighting like mad dogs That's the beauty of this grid.bill shoe wrote:You could be right but we'll never know. This is where the RB team orders come in play. With team orders if Weber leads into turn 1 then he only needs to go fast enough to keep both RB's ahead of the next competitor. If there were no team orders then the two RB team mates would keep each other's pace honest throughout the race and we would actually see the true delta over a race distance.Tazio wrote: I'm not convinced that is true with full tanks.
I think Ferrari, McLaren, and Mercedes will be a lot closer to the front than the back in race trim!
Anyway, this RB "quali" dominance is impressive.
The good news is that races are never as boring and straightforward as I predict.
