Red Bull RB6

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BreezyRacer
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zgred wrote:Image
Sweet pic! You can just begin to see the exhaust tract flowing into the diffuser area.

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Blackout wrote:Read the previous page.
I did -- that's when I got me confused...

marcush.
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djos wrote:
PNSD wrote:If not it just even further commends their efforts on this car.

Jenson saw it as essential to get that flap adjuster, but if RedBull have no need it clearly means their car balance with full fuel is not alot different with low fuel.
I thought I saw a comment from Mark last year that it wasn't that useful and once he had the car setup properly he just left it alone.
On German TV channel RTL there was a clear message to Vettel audible that he should not bother with the front Flap settings as these had jammed ...so they have a means
of changing the AoA I suppose...but where???

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marcush. wrote:
djos wrote:
PNSD wrote:If not it just even further commends their efforts on this car.

Jenson saw it as essential to get that flap adjuster, but if RedBull have no need it clearly means their car balance with full fuel is not alot different with low fuel.
I thought I saw a comment from Mark last year that it wasn't that useful and once he had the car setup properly he just left it alone.
On German TV channel RTL there was a clear message to Vettel audible that he should not bother with the front Flap settings as these had jammed ...so they have a means
of changing the AoA I suppose...but where???
They can change the AoA of the front win flap by about 2.5 degrees once a lap 6 degrees twice a lap. It's controlled through a button on the steering wheel by stepper motors integrated in the front wing end-plates.
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marcush.
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Skinn3r55 wrote:



They can change the AoA of the front win flap by about 2.5 degrees once a lap. It's controlled through a button on the steering wheel by stepper motors integrated in the front wing end-plates.

where is that mechanism and which flap do they adjust?

autogyro
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I thought RB did not need an adjustable flap.

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marcush. wrote:
Skinn3r55 wrote:



They can change the AoA of the front win flap by about 2.5 degrees once a lap. It's controlled through a button on the steering wheel by stepper motors integrated in the front wing end-plates.

where is that mechanism and which flap do they adjust?
http://www.engineeringtalk.com/news/mai/mai133.html

Skinn3r55
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marcush. wrote:
Skinn3r55 wrote:



They can change the AoA of the front win flap by about 2.5 degrees once a lap. It's controlled through a button on the steering wheel by stepper motors integrated in the front wing end-plates.

where is that mechanism and which flap do they adjust?
http://www.shell.com/home/content/motor ... les_front/

autogyro
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Yes I know and this site has very good detail of RBs previous front wing with adjustment.
The latest RB wing does not at first glance look as if it has such a mechanism.

Skinn3r55
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Maybe its packaged even tighter now (hence the problem?).

rayden
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Fry was interviewed on the red button post race. he said the red bulls were going through turn 9 20km/h faster than everyone else, and for that reason believes they are doing something fundamentally different to the rest in regards to aero.

i have a hunch this interaction of exhaust gases with the diffuser (when on full throttle like turn 9) is giving them a ridiculous amount of downforce.

marcush.
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hey comeon ,
I´m fully aware just how it can be done and electric motor is just one of the possibilities and surely not the lightest one...

The question was specifically aimed at the RBR6 ,so again:

WHERE is the actuation mechanism housed and WHICH Flap is moved?

the latest pics do not really show a flap that is not solidly interconnected at least at one point to other structures..so if they had something in the endplates it
seems they are twisting the flap? or may it be they rotate the whole wing??

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ah and btw raised gearbox on rbr6 source:

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2010/0/721.html

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contrary to the Mac the RBR6 is not really good in traffic it seems..

Webber with bad qualy did not make a big impression on the season opener,Vettel yesterday not a threat to Hamilton.
Also in China the Red bulls seemed to loose their shine when not in front...it could be wrong impression..but?

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rayden wrote:i have a hunch this interaction of exhaust gases with the diffuser (when on full throttle like turn 9) is giving them a ridiculous amount of downforce.
It will certainly be interesting to see if any of the other teams try to implement similar exhaust positioning. I imagine this is a massive packaging problem, however, as well as avoiding bad interactions with the rear suspension. Perhaps it is almost as much work as Red Bull had to do last year to fit the DDD?
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