Is Vettel overrated? What do you think

[manchild]

Senna did not win at Monaco with Toleman... he finished second because that asshole Balestre favoring his countryman. But he did start 13th and fight thru the field and was catching Prost at an incredible rate in the rain...

That's a win by my standards, just as much 1994. WDC title isn't.

[ISLAMATRON]

I can dig it... I consider Senna the 1989 WDC sincehe had themost wins, and I definatly know who really won at Spa in 2008 even though the history books wrongly say Massa.

[segedunum]

Senna did not win at Monaco with Toleman... he finished second because that asshole Balestre favoring his countryman.

I don't really see how. Had the race not been stopped and had Prost just finished second then he would have been World Champion. As such, he got half points.

But he did start 13th and fight thru the field and was catching Prost at an incredible rate in the rain.

Stefan Bellof was creaming both of them actually so the notion that Senna would have waltzed to victory is wide of the mark, but that's something no one mentions about that race. It's all ifs and buts where Senna is concerned there.

Vettle's win at Monza was nowhere nearly as good, he started P1 because of an upside down qualifying and really had no competition as the best drivers in the best cars were mired in the back.

If you throw enough ifs, but and maybes in you can make any good win look ordinary.

[raymondu999]

Yes... In a sense that is motor racing. That's like saying "Red Bull wouldn't have romped in Malaysia IF Ferraris and McLarens hadn't mucked up qualifying."

But then again, as much as I love Vettel, it's also like saying,

"Vettel would/could/should have won in Bahrain/Australia/China."

It works both ways.

But anyways. Can we get back to the topic?

Oh, and by the way. Stirling Moss, "I think Vettel is probably the fastest" in his interview with Jake Humphrey in the buildup to qualifying

[marcush.]

right now Webbo puts Vettel back into a proper context.Both good an capable drivers and both can be champ... in Neweys RB6.

[raymondu999]

sounds like you're implying that in any other car they're incapable

[marcush.]

sounds like you're implying that in any other car they're incapable

what I wanted to say is more drivers would just do as well as these two in the RB6 :

Hamilton ,Rosberg,Button,Alonso,Massa,Schumacher,Kubica,Barrichello,Trulli,Glock,kovalainen,
Sutil instantly spring to my mind ...
that does not imply those two ar incapable ,far from it .You have to be in the right car at the right time as well ....see Button ..he had a title in him and took the opportunity.fair enough.

[raymondu999]

Well in a way that's part of the way F1 is structured isn't it? The right driver has to be in the right car to win. But then I don't think any driver has ever outdone their teammates 100%. Heck even Trulli won in Monaco ahead of Alonso.

[Pierce89]

sounds like you're implying that in any other car they're incapable

what I wanted to say is more drivers would just do as well as these two in the RB6 :

Hamilton ,Rosberg,Button,Alonso,Massa,Schumacher,Kubica,Barrichello,Trulli,Glock,kovalainen,
Sutil instantly spring to my mind ...
that does not imply those two ar incapable ,far from it .You have to be in the right car at the right time as well ....see Button ..he had a title in him and took the opportunity.fair enough.

kovalainen already had the best car, but he was on Macca team B

[ringo]

So Vettel outclassed by webber fair and square.
Why is it he could not catch Webber and he was in clean air?
Webber must be loving this! He's starting to look like a WDC to me now.

Vettel is only fast when he is ahead. When he is behind he is thinking too much about the guy ahead of him so he loses his focus. Clearly not in the same class as a Hamitlon, Alonso, Kubica. Looks like Webber will be promoted to top class now the way things are going.

[Mysticf1]

Looks like Webber will be promoted to top class now the way things are going.

Been a long time coming

[raymondu999]

Vettel doesn't like chicanes though and he has performed Mark in rounds 1-4. Rounds 5 and 6 Mark has had the upper hand, and the common denominator there is the existence of chicanes. As pointed out before, Vettel can't take chicanes well. I say we wait until after Silverstone before we pass judgment.

[PNSD]

Im sorry but theres 1 chicane at Spain. Vettel was slower because he was slower. It had nothing to do with chicanes or not.

[raymondu999]

Yes but they were equal up to that chicane, I believe. That was where he lost the time. And he's outperformed Mark 4-2.

[mx_tifoso]

Comparing sector times would probably shed some more light on this.