Vettel side of the story:
http://en.espnf1.com/turkey/motorsport/story/18884.html
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Lewis Hamilton has won the Turkish Grand Prix in Istanbul after closely following the Red Bulls until they knocked each other out. Jenson Button was second, while Mark Webber managed to finish third after an extra stop. Sebastian Vettel didn't make it to the finish.
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No Seb, you touched his car, not the other way around! [-X
+1 =D>WhiteBlue wrote:All people who say that Vettel pulled to the right too early need to consider that prior to that happening Webber actually squeezed the gap on him to make the pass more difficult. He should not have done that because he already had had his one move before. Had Weber remained as far from the left side of the track as he already was the contact had never happened.
Rubbish, your own pic shows webber giving Vettel more room by easing his car slightly to the right!WhiteBlue wrote:All people who say that Vettel pulled to the right too early need to consider that prior to that happening Webber actually squeezed the gap on him to make the pass more difficult. He should not have done that because he already had had his one move before. Had Weber remained as far from the left side of the track as he already was the contact had never happened.
Pandamasque wrote:Guys. Let's look at the facts.
1. The line Webber took before the Vettel got alongside is irrelevant.
2. Did Webber leave enough track space for Vettel at all times? Yes, it was ~2m.
3. Did Vettel turn right before he got fully ahead of Webber? Yes he did (moving away from the line on the straight), and touched Mark's sidepod with his rear right.
Simple as that. End of argument.
If that's not enough, see this.
Vettel defended well against THE BOSS when LH tried to pass on the outside into turn 12... and then SV hit his teammateGiblet wrote:I just wish that Vettel showed some race craft, I have yet to see the kind of stuff from him expected of a wunderkid, when THE BOSS seems to demonstrate it nearly every race.
Well the complete facts are these:Pandamasque wrote:Guys. Let's look at the facts.
1. The line Webber took before the Vettel got alongside is irrelevant.
2. Did Webber leave enough track space for Vettel at all times? Yes, it was ~2m.
3. Did Vettel turn right before he got fully ahead of Webber? Yes he did (moving away from the line on the straight), and touched Mark's sidepod with his rear right.
So webber should make it easy for him?WhiteBlue wrote:All people who say that Vettel pulled to the right too early need to consider that prior to that happening Webber actually squeezed the gap on him to make the pass more difficult. He should not have done that because he already had had his one move before. Had Weber remained as far from the left side of the track as he already was the contact had never happened.
I was referring to the Vettel-Webber moment. I don't know about Button-Hamilton bit as I only saw it once I think and didn't notice anything foul.andrew wrote:Pandmasque - It's not an opinion, it's a question. Buttons car jerked for some reason but what the reason was I don't know, thus the question. Some camera angles made it look as if Hamilton was pretty close others didn't.
button got hit in the sidepod, floor area. There was no damage. He came across trying to close down the gap, and they touched.andrew wrote:Pandmasque - It's not an opinion, it's a question. Buttons car jerked for some reason but what the reason was I don't know, thus the question. Some camera angles made it look as if Hamilton was pretty close others didn't.
re your second post - no idea. I thought that myself. Maybe there was suspension damage? It was a hefty dunt the car got so I wouldn't be surprised.