Vettel: Note to self for next race- you have FOUR wheels!
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Red Bull Racing drivers Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel met with Christian Horner, Adrian Newey and Dr. Marko at the Red Bull Racing factory today in Milton Keynes, UK. It was a positive meeting, which draws a line under the incident that happened on lap 40 of the Turkish Grand Prix. The team is now fully focused on next week’s Canadian Grand Prix.
WhiteBlue wrote:I wish people would stop writing this rubbish.
Marko in an inept way tried to impose team order because Vettel was briefly faster than Webber due to a bit more fuel and better tyres. But that was by no means a sustainable advantage and so I'm not surprised he could not make his point to Horner and Mark's race engineer.
Vettel probably thought that Mark would be told to let him go by. Next Mark defends pretty robust and almost shuts the door on Vettel but almost is not saying he really did it and the plain fact is they did not crash on Marks move during the first part of the pass. Next Vettel is the one who moves on Mark and big surprise! Mark wasn't told to let him pass and retaliation on Marks move this time ended in tears.
Bottom line: Vettel gets provoked and probably expected to be given preference by the team but did not get it. They crashed due to Vettels move and not due to Marks move which puts most of the blame on Vettel.
I don't think any driver worth his paycheck is aware of this rather spurious interpretation of the art of motor racing.any driver knows that the driver in front dictates the line into a corner, in this case it was vettel, who was ahead by a few wheel lengths. A guy in front can cut across as much as he wants (as mark did) and it is the guy behind who has to get out of the way.
This quote is from the post qualifying press conference - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84001. So it looks like MW thinks that something may have been going on in the RB garage all weekend.Q. You chose to come out of the garage for your final flying lap ahead of Sebastian. The previous lap you would have been behind Sebastian. Was that trying to put pressure on him at that stage?
MW: No, I don't know what happened. It should have been me second. But, anyway, I think we left too early. I don't know what happened. We need to see what happened on the pit wall. Normally I would go second this weekend.
We usually agree right? But...WhiteBlue wrote:. Next Mark defends pretty robust and almost shuts the door on Vettel
BreezyRacer wrote:I believe that Webber also had enough fuel for the race
*sigh* I wish I had your telepathic skills to read the fuel gauges on those cars.gibells wrote:Vettel had plenty of fuel left atfer his pass on Webber.
Just look at the lap times Webber turned after the collision .. that ain't ESP! He sure wasn't running any slower than the McLarens, and on pace with the Mercs behind him, even though he had room to slow and still finish ahead of them.richard_leeds wrote:BreezyRacer wrote:I believe that Webber also had enough fuel for the race*sigh* I wish I had your telepathic skills to read the fuel gauges on those cars.gibells wrote:Vettel had plenty of fuel left atfer his pass on Webber.
I believe that you are mistaken there. As long as the car is not fully ahead a driver must consider the competitor in a fair contest. Webber gave Vettel just enough room but Vettel did not.WilliamsF1 wrote:WB any driver knows that the driver in front dictates the line into a corner, in this case it was vettel, who was ahead by a few wheel lengths. A guy in front can cut across as much as he wants (as mark did) and it is the guy behind who has to get out of the way.
Sorry to say that, but this is close to paranoia. Fact is Mark did not know why they changed the order of leaving the garage. It could have been anything.db__ wrote:This quote is from the post qualifying press conference - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84001. So it looks like MW thinks that something may have been going on in the RB garage all weekend.Q. You chose to come out of the garage for your final flying lap ahead of Sebastian. The previous lap you would have been behind Sebastian. Was that trying to put pressure on him at that stage?
MW: No, I don't know what happened. It should have been me second. But, anyway, I think we left too early. I don't know what happened. We need to see what happened on the pit wall. Normally I would go second this weekend.
Why don't we use the facts that were provided by the team here. I don't think that Horner would obviously lie in such a situation to the press. He said that both men started on exactly the same fuel load and that on lap 40 Vettel had 1 kg more fuel on board due to often running in the slip stream while Webber was leading the race. He also said that Vettel would have received the fuel save signal one lap later. That is pretty much in line what Red Bull had done in all the other races. They expected to be able to open a gap early and and throttle back towards the end of the race. This is why they gave both drivers a fuel load that would not have got them through the race on full tilt. I do not see a reason why we should not believe what Horner told us. It correlates with all other facts and what the drivers said.BreezyRacer wrote:I believe that Webber also had enough fuel for the race and maybe that's what he means when he says to dig deeper. If his car didn't need to save fuel, especially when his teammate was setting him up for a pass, then you have to say that RBR management planned this out to favor Vettel.
wesley123 wrote:richard, i dont think gibells post was that serious, afterall after he overtook webber he crashed, so he had plenty of fuel left, im pretty usre his tank wasnt empty then
sily me. That's actually a funny post now I read it in context!Excuse me but why would you believe anything that Horner said about this event. His comments have been tainted from the beginning, immediately blaming Webber, like saying at first they were on the same fuel maps, and consoling his pretty boy Vettel on the pit wall. After those actions it becomes quite evident that Horner has a predisposed and incorrect position on the incident.WhiteBlue wrote:Why don't we use the facts that were provided by the team here. I don't think that Horner would obviously lie in such a situation to the press. He said that both men started on exactly the same fuel load and that on lap 40 Vettel had 1 kg more fuel on board due to often running in the slip stream while Webber was leading the race. He also said that Vettel would have received the fuel save signal one lap later. That is pretty much in line what Red Bull had done in all the other races. They expected to be able to open a gap early and and throttle back towards the end of the race. This is why they gave both drivers a fuel load that would not have got them through the race on full tilt. I do not see a reason why we should not believe what Horner told us. It correlates with all other facts and what the drivers said.