Canadian GP 2010 - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve

[djos]

Looking at the result of the Close Encounters of the Third Kind...

Wow, Webber had mere millimetres in that, 2 more to the left and he'd have had rim damage as well as paint on the tires (like Bob). =D>

[ringo]

Vettel also on primes! OMG Ok, finally got some heat into the tyres.
Webber also on primes and faster.

So what's the RedBull Qually score now WB?

Btw, massive staegic blunder by MacMerc send Hamilton out on Options, Webber and Vettel are going to swamp Hamilton after only a handful of laps - even if he gets an early Saftey Car the Bulls will stay out in the clear air and run away from the feild for another 1-2 (assuming Vettel has learnt to look where he is going!).

Mclaren wont pit during the safety car. Maybe they will simply use the safety car to take down the laps left in the race. Running behind the SC is not punishing on the tyres, so they should be able to stretch the life of the softs and push their pitstop further down towards the halfway mark.
They just want to pit in a window where the primes can run the rest of the race with decent degradation.
Looking on the nature of the track, an accident would have to be cleaned up with the tractor crane, so a SC could be out for a good number of laps. The more SC laps the more the soft tyres extend their life, and the more the prime lose heat and need warming up.

Hopefully the 24 cars on track simulataneously, as contrasting to qualy, will rubber it up nice and warm and the softs last for 30 laps.

[djos]

This reminds me of Melbourne last year where those who ran the options at the very end of the race when the track had rubbered up came out on top.

[WhiteBlue]

Bridgestone are predicting that two and three stop strategies.

The race start is at 12 noon local time which is probably not going to be the warmest time of the day, which will not assist tyre performance. From the longer run data we have seen we do not predict that the super soft will be very durable, and this and the graining we have seen means it is unlikely that we will see one stop strategies.

I reckon that they have based that prediction on the use of options in Q3. Under extreme conditions prime runners could make one stop and option runners two or three.

[lebesset]

although the prime is clearly the better race tyre , as long as hamilton can get away in front he should be able to hold up the red bulls until he pits

should give him a clear advantage as the race progresses when they have to run on options

will it work out that way ?
when will the safety car deploy ...hard to believe it won't be out

[myurr]

I reckon that they have based that prediction on the use of options in Q3. Under extreme conditions prime runners could make one stop and option runners two or three.

Equally it could be that those starting on primes will overwork them with high fuel loads at the beginning of the race so they end up having to pit twice, whereas those that start on options are just about able to cope with them long enough that the primes will be good for the rest of the race.

The Q3 tyre choices were fairly clear from Q1 onwards so both teams must believe that they are on the best strategy for their cars as they had the chance to react. With the high probability of a safety car and / or rain then pretty much anything can happen.

I personally believe that McLaren have it right - by getting the option tyre out of the way early on they have the choice to make a snap pit stop in the event of an early safety car, whereas Red Bull would not be able to pit for options and run them to the end of the race. Even if there is a safety car just after they pit for tyres giving Red Bull the chance to pit and come out in front, again they won't be able to run the options to the end of the race. In the second half of the race McLaren will have the choice of trying to make the primes last or pitting again for another set of primes - something they can do entirely reactively to Red Bull, giving them a slight upper hand.

By pitting early the McLaren will also be on fresher tyres for more of the race.

Where Red Bull have the advantage is if one of them can get ahead of Hamilton on track, if Hamilton gets stuck in traffic after his stop, or if the weather is changeable then they can run a longer first stint and have more chance of pitting when they want for wet weather tyres.

It's going to be close and hopefully exciting!

[Fil]

i'm really surprised teams with 2 cars in Q3 didn't split their strategies to cover all bases.

The only reason they wouldn't is that everyone wanted to qualify as well as they could (as usual), whilst Red Bull was confident enough in their pace to go for the quicker race strategy.


Catching a tow out of the tight slow corners leading onto really long straights, overtaking isn't overly difficult here. Maybe the Red Bulls (and Kubica's Renault which is enjoying a strong top speed here) are backing themselves to win this on the track?

[rahulsampath]

I think both the force india drivers did not use F-Duct.There were no air inlet and their rear wings looks normal.

Adrian Sutil



Vitantonio Liuzzi

[myurr]

Catching a tow out of the tight slow corners leading onto really long straights, overtaking isn't overly difficult here. Maybe the Red Bulls (and Kubica's Renault which is enjoying a strong top speed here) are backing themselves to win this on the track?

Unless you start bouncing off the rev limiter. The McLaren is about 6kmph faster than the Red Bull, with Kubica another 5 or 6 quicker than that. If the Renault can get anywhere near the back of another car then it should be past, but the Red Bull will have either compromised on their gearing (and therefore ultimate pace) or will have problems should they get a tow behind a faster car (especially something like a Renault, should strategy / luck somehow cause them to get behind one).

[xpensive]

Kubica faster than the McLaren in a straight line, how can that be, Horner days the Renault is down 30 hp to the Mercedes engine?

[rahulsampath]

Catching a tow out of the tight slow corners leading onto really long straights, overtaking isn't overly difficult here. Maybe the Red Bulls (and Kubica's Renault which is enjoying a strong top speed here) are backing themselves to win this on the track?

Unless you start bouncing off the rev limiter. The McLaren is about 6kmph faster than the Red Bull, with Kubica another 5 or 6 quicker than that. If the Renault can get anywhere near the back of another car then it should be past, but the Red Bull will have either compromised on their gearing (and therefore ultimate pace) or will have problems should they get a tow behind a faster car (especially something like a Renault, should strategy / luck somehow cause them to get behind one).

The red bulls and renault are starting on hard compound,so it may take more time for their tyres to reach optimum temperature.we have seen vettel struggling in the Qualifying to heat up his tyres.I think red bulls and renault may drop down the order on start.

[Paul Oz]

Kubica faster than the McLaren in a straight line, how can that be, Horner days the Renault is down 30 hp to the Mercedes engine?

Fairly obviously.... mclaren have higher down force for better traction/stability!
Higher end straight speed doesnt necessarily mean the straight as a whole was faster.

[Paul Oz]

If the Renault can get anywhere near the back of another car then it should be past....

Thats going to be the problem though perhaps, getting close to the back of another car with clearly less downforce....

[xpensive]

Kubica faster than the McLaren in a straight line, how can that be, Horner days the Renault is down 30 hp to the Mercedes engine?

Fairly obviously.... mclaren have higher down force for better traction/stability!
Higher end straight speed doesnt necessarily mean the straight as a whole was faster.

Boy, aren't you the smart one?

[Paul Oz]

Kubica faster than the McLaren in a straight line, how can that be, Horner days the Renault is down 30 hp to the Mercedes engine?

Fairly obviously.... mclaren have higher down force for better traction/stability!
Higher end straight speed doesnt necessarily mean the straight as a whole was faster.

Boy, aren't you the smart one?

Sorry dude, wasnt meant to be derogatory if thats how u took it.... just thought it was obvious.....