Renault R30

[raceman]

^^nice work dude, good sense of humor!

[wesley123]

I'm waiting dor their EPD (Exhauts Powered Diffuser). McLaren, Ferrari, Williams and Mercedes will have this solution so Renault cannot be worse.

Who says that? From only ferrari it is nkown they will do it.

It is same as with the red bull style humps on the nose, everyone kept saying it will be standard next year, well i have noticed that. Give an reason why they should mind an exhaust driven diffuser wich is illegal next year. and apart from that it is same like thew DDD, you have to have our car built for it, else it wont work perfectly, just like the F-Duct now. Do you really think that mclaren wich has the fastest dev pace of the all will mind to run an exhaust driven diffuser for 5 races wich consumes alot of time, i am pretty sure they aint going to do the same as ferrari and mercedes did. They can better focus on other things, like already shown

[mith]

Could someone explain to me, why exhaust driven diffuser would be illegal next year? I thought, teems agreed to resign from second deck, but exhaust has nothing to do with it.

[Neno]

How does this double floor at Renault, dal some teams have something similar or is it a new idea in Enstone for their double diffuser that will significantly improve. Is there a picture how it looks, because the previous Ferrari does not display properly.

[wesley123]

Could someone explain to me, why exhaust driven diffuser would be illegal next year? I thought, teems agreed to resign from second deck, but exhaust has nothing to do with it.

because you vant have any holes in the main diffuser apart from the starter hole

[korzeniow]

Who says that? From only ferrari it is nkown they will do it.

It is same as with the red bull style humps on the nose, everyone kept saying it will be standard next year, well i have noticed that. Give an reason why they should mind an exhaust driven diffuser wich is illegal next year. and apart from that it is same like thew DDD, you have to have our car built for it, else it wont work perfectly, just like the F-Duct now. Do you really think that mclaren wich has the fastest dev pace of the all will mind to run an exhaust driven diffuser for 5 races wich consumes alot of time, i am pretty sure they aint going to do the same as ferrari and mercedes did. They can better focus on other things, like already shown

Not only Ferrari. Williams team also mentioned about working on this solution. Andrew Benson from BBC said that McLaren will introduce this system at Sliverstoe or in Germany. He also said that Renault works on it too.

If it gives benefit I don't see why teams shouldn't work on it. They work already on F-Duct and it's benned in next year too.

Ferrari team said thet they ere suprised how much benefit this Exhaust Feed Diffuser gives. I think other teams won't resist this temptation.

[aral]

Who says that? From only ferrari it is nkown they will do it.

It is same as with the red bull style humps on the nose, everyone kept saying it will be standard next year, well i have noticed that. Give an reason why they should mind an exhaust driven diffuser wich is illegal next year. and apart from that it is same like thew DDD, you have to have our car built for it, else it wont work perfectly, just like the F-Duct now. Do you really think that mclaren wich has the fastest dev pace of the all will mind to run an exhaust driven diffuser for 5 races wich consumes alot of time, i am pretty sure they aint going to do the same as ferrari and mercedes did. They can better focus on other things, like already shown

Not only Ferrari. Williams team also mentioned about working on this solution. Andrew Benson from BBC said that McLaren will introduce this system at Sliverstoe or in Germany. He also said that Renault works on it too.

If it gives benefit I don't see why teams shouldn't work on it. They work already on F-Duct and it's benned in next year too.

Ferrari team said thet they ere suprised how much benefit this Exhaust Feed Diffuser gives. I think other teams won't resist this temptation.

As at this date, any rule to ban the f-duct next year, does not exist. Moreover, thee is now talk in the FIA, that a blown rear wing, WILL be allowed, but this can only be used by an overtaking car, to aid passing. A leading car will not be allowed to use it to block an overtake. I don't know how it will be policed.

By the way, a double diffuser is a DD. What is all the reference to DDD??

[wesley123]

Who says that? From only ferrari it is nkown they will do it.

It is same as with the red bull style humps on the nose, everyone kept saying it will be standard next year, well i have noticed that. Give an reason why they should mind an exhaust driven diffuser wich is illegal next year. and apart from that it is same like thew DDD, you have to have our car built for it, else it wont work perfectly, just like the F-Duct now. Do you really think that mclaren wich has the fastest dev pace of the all will mind to run an exhaust driven diffuser for 5 races wich consumes alot of time, i am pretty sure they aint going to do the same as ferrari and mercedes did. They can better focus on other things, like already shown

Not only Ferrari. Williams team also mentioned about working on this solution. Andrew Benson from BBC said that McLaren will introduce this system at Sliverstoe or in Germany. He also said that Renault works on it too.

If it gives benefit I don't see why teams shouldn't work on it. They work already on F-Duct and it's benned in next year too.

Ferrari team said thet they ere suprised how much benefit this Exhaust Feed Diffuser gives. I think other teams won't resist this temptation.

I thik they will waste it, it is similair as the F-Duct, a waste of time that only works properly when the car is designed for such an thing. For example it was an simple change, for ferrari you would need to relocate it all, the McLaren simply dont allow it, at least i doubt it will allow such an thing.

McLaren for example got their own development program wich is workig great, giving them the fastest car rigth now, explain why they should waste time on somethingf what would slow down the other developments and would be illegal next year?

And afterall, None fo those things weill be really illegal, the FIA ruling will still allow the DDD(Double Deck Diffuser), same for KERS and the F-Duct. But because of an FOTA deal no one will run it.

[korzeniow]

@wesley123, what is there to explain? Solution brings benefit so teams are working on it. Simple as that.

It depends on teams ho thy will adopt it, so let's wait with critic and see how it will pan out.

@gilgen, Double Decker Diffusor

[Metal]

Guys, it doesnt matter if its legal or not next year, teams are working to have the fastest car in THIS year to win the titles which are worth tens of million of euros if not more and whatever can get their car to go even faster they will do that.
No one is thinking of next year right now, no one from the Big Five, cuz all of them have a shot at, at least one title, with Mercedes being the least likely to win it.

They wanna win a title, at any cost.

[marcush.]

I read somewhere (Motorsport-Total)that Renault is coming up with new parts for every GrandPrix in 2010 to an extend that in the years before this kind of step would have been possible only every 4 or 5 races...they claimed to be in the 8th iteration of front wing in the ninth race...
Contrary to this ..williams was unable to fix crashed front wings in the course of two weeks recently...makes you wonder how Renault is able to find steps considered worth producing real parts +have the recources to produce enough parts in a timespan where other teams not even are able to fill up their stock with existing development steps..???

[Neno]

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article. ... 4090&FS=F1
Nice Now we have f-dcut and exhaust system like Red Bull. Championship here we come!

[Blackout]

I read somewhere (Motorsport-Total)that Renault is coming up with new parts for every GrandPrix in 2010 to an extend that in the years before this kind of step would have been possible only every 4 or 5 races...they claimed to be in the 8th iteration of front wing in the ninth race...
Contrary to this ..williams was unable to fix crashed front wings in the course of two weeks recently...makes you wonder how Renault is able to find steps considered worth producing real parts +have the recources to produce enough parts in a timespan where other teams not even are able to fill up their stock with existing development steps..???

Yes that's incredible

Renaultf1.com posted this photo of a R30 Model.. It has the old wings, deflectors and brake ducts. I wonder why that more sophisticated mirrors never been used on track.

[marcush.]

one for one it leads to the conclusion that Renault has found a route worth pursuing and they still find good improvements with their iterations

contrary Mercedes has not shown much in those areas of front and rear wing -so either they are very close to optimum or they lack some new ideas worth pursuing ,and any new things they try in the channel or CFD is not giving enough benefit to be worth making molds and fixtures ..

so is Renault on a roll with new ideas or is it simply they are closing a massive gap
now they know why they lagged behind last year.
some parts ,difusser ,splitter ,rearwing ,brake duct detailing look really like original new ideas to me ...but that was true for the front wing as well ,but now with the last iterations they look like converging towards the brawn solution....

[noname]

I read somewhere (Motorsport-Total)that Renault is coming up with new parts for every GrandPrix in 2010 to an extend that in the years before this kind of step would have been possible only every 4 or 5 races...they claimed to be in the 8th iteration of front wing in the ninth race...
Contrary to this ..williams was unable to fix crashed front wings in the course of two weeks recently...makes you wonder how Renault is able to find steps considered worth producing real parts +have the recources to produce enough parts in a timespan where other teams not even are able to fill up their stock with existing development steps..???

my guess is they defined clear and precise development plan and are good enough to be able to stick to it without jumping back and forth. they did not i.e. , or at lest that's my impression, jump to "we do need F-tube right now" wagon and are just going their way.

another potential factor is build-in R30 development potential. I would assume they've done a lot of conceptual studies early in the project to select promising concepts they are developing and presenting when needed.

sound simple and, I think, just confirms they are the right people in the right place.