European GP 2010 - Valencia

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zgred wrote:5-second penalties handed to nine drivers
gpupdate.net wrote:The following drivers (with original race finishing positions shown) receive 5-second penalties:

Jenson Button (3rd), Rubens Barrichello (4th), Robert Kubica (5th), Adrian Sutil (6th), Sébastien Buemi (8th), Pedro de la Rosa (10th), Vitaly Petrov (11th), Vitantonio Liuzzi (13th) and Nico Hülkenberg (DNF).
When did they invent 5 second penalties? I thought it was only 30 for delayed 10 sec stop and go and 20 sec for drive through.
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feni_remmen
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This really frustrates me that the safety car issues is still an issue. It should be easy with all this technology in F1 to say to the drivers and teams, the moment a safety period is called, all cars have to conform to a controlled pace immediately after the next braking zone, no matter where they are on the track. This controlled pace is then maintained until the safety period is over. This is the fairest solution, and we all care about fair race results don't we!

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From Alonso:
This race was to finish second. Then with the Safety Car I would have finished where I finished in ninth, and Hamilton in eighth. But here, when you do the normal thing, which is respecting the rules, you finish ninth, and the one who doesn't respect them finishes second.
Im Sorry Nando... Actually Lewis would have finished 5th or 6th, you would have still finished 9th because he wouldnt have let the chinese driver overtake him lol!

komninosm
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Anyone wants to talk about the first corner incident?

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jason.parker.86 wrote:Im Sorry Nando... Actually Lewis would have finished 5th or 6th, you would have still finished 9th because he wouldnt have let the chinese driver overtake him lol!
Which Chinese driver?

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komninosm wrote:Anyone wants to talk about the first corner incident?
Surely, you mean the second corner incident?
Could anyone post a video before people start bashing each other?
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joseff wrote:
jason.parker.86 wrote:Im Sorry Nando... Actually Lewis would have finished 5th or 6th, you would have still finished 9th because he wouldnt have let the chinese driver overtake him lol!
Which Chinese driver?
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andartop wrote:
komninosm wrote:Anyone wants to talk about the first corner incident?
Surely, you mean the second corner incident?
Could anyone post a video before people start bashing each other?
I mean Vettel and Hamilton touching. And yeah, I want to see video please.

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komninosm wrote:Anyone wants to talk about the first corner incident?
The incident was very clear. On their way to the presentation ceremony Hamilton apologized to Vettel. He was on the kerb in the first corner and had to take a wider line. Vettel said he tried to let him room, but nevertheless they touched.

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About Mark "flipper" Webber,
Webber's f duct would have kept the car on the ground.
We have to remember the rear wing and diffuser is behind the rear wheel center line. This means the downforce on the rear wing is clockwise moment which acts to pitch the nose up.
The front wing and floor downforce is what balances the forces and keeps the car from rotating around the back wheels. No front wing, with a little bump, and the car will flip. F duct would reduce the flipping by reducing downforce over the rear wing.


About the SC, Button seems to be a very lucky fellow, he benefited more than anyone else. Alonso is just pissed he didn't follow Hamilton past the SC.
The hamilton penality is also not neccesary, he missed it by a few metres and i don't think he was fully able to see where he was relative to the SC. I think he got that one becuase another reprimand would seem like they were favouring him.
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It looked like Hamilton went into the corner too fast and ran wide causing Vettel to have to use the green stuff.

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That 5-sec penalty looks as intentionally invented just to change nothing in the final results...
Again - I don't understand the slow acting of the race control. A driver either went too fast or not during the SC period. It is known just after it happened. Then they all have the drive-through penalty handed at the moment the SC comes in. Period. No controversy.

The 20-sec (or so) time penalty should be possible just in special cases such as someone's protest after the race or if the violation of the rule happened on the last few laps.

jason.parker.86
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ringo wrote:About Mark "flipper" Webber,
Webber's f duct would have kept the car on the ground.
We have to remember the rear wing and diffuser is behind the rear wheel center line. This means the downforce on the rear wing is clockwise moment which acts to pitch the nose up.
The front wing and floor downforce is what balances the forces and keeps the car from rotating around the back wheels. No front wing, with a little bump, and the car will flip. F duct would reduce the flipping by reducing downforce over the rear wing.


About the SC, Button seems to be a very lucky fellow, he benefited more than anyone else. Alonso is just pissed he didn't follow Hamilton past the SC.
The hamilton penality is also not neccesary, he missed it by a few metres and i don't think he was fully able to see where he was relative to the SC. I think he got that one becuase another reprimand would seem like they were favouring him.
Hamilton did say in the press confrence he couldnt see the car, and before I make this comment I am a Lewis Hamilton fan,... but I believe that was a load of old tosh. He seen the car, thought about it and went for it. What was interesting for me was I do not think McLaren HQ knew about it, their was no footage of this until AFTER the penalty was imposed and Martin Whitmarsh didnt look all to pleased.

Either way I do not think he was totally to blame, Race Control balls up the Safety Car deployment, but what strikes me as even stanger is why they didnt pit Hamilton that lap!

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jason.parker.86 wrote:Either way I do not think he was totally to blame, Race Control balls up the Safety Car deployment, but what strikes me as even stanger is why they didnt pit Hamilton that lap!
There were four men ahead of the pit lane when the safety car was deployed by Calamity Charlie: Vettel (ahead of the SC), Hamilton (overtook the SC), Alonso (finished 9th) and Massa (finished 14th). Button was the first guy who could enter the pit lane. Being slow actually worked for him. What's more, had Hamilton not overtaken the SC, Button would have ended comfortably ahead of Hamilton.
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wow. made up penalty. 5 seconds... just wow.