European GP 2010 - Valencia

[Donuts]

Kubica did a great job fighting off Button. He was first in to the pitstop, but third out. Button is so lucky it's unbelivable! All season! Renault were about to take Petrov in and had to change when Kubica came in first.

Hamilton is a huge cheater, I have no great love for Alonso, but this time he's completely right. What a fake "nice guy face" he has on. How could the decision take 30 min to make? How could it be only a drive thru penalty when overtaking the SC? Is there anything more severe?

[WhiteBlue]

Not sure if I remember the incident correctly, but Lewis hit SV initially, then didn't SV go over LH's wing by doing his trademark move, cutting across too early due to an apparent lack of spatial awareness?

That is a totally biased comment. Hamilton came from behind and made the initial mistake of going for a gap that wasn't there. As a result there was first tyre contact between Vettel's rear and Hamilton's front. Vettel was pushed all the way to the wall and had to come back to the racing line. Eventually the misfired pass ended in Vettel clipping Hamilton's wing but Vettel could have done nothing but concede the racing line at this point. They were both committed and collided twice due to Hamilton's misjudgment.

[andartop]

Hulkenburg kicked those tires pretty hard after his retirement.

I haven't seen a driver behave that childlike in a long time.

Not like racing shoes have much protection, I would be surprised if he isn't...

*puts on sunglasses*

...kicking himself now with a jammed toe.

You haven't seen the Monaco GP this year then, where RB threw the bloody steering wheel in the racing line because of his frustration?

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

Alonso's team-radio

"keep talking to charlie about Hamilton, it's the only thing you should keep doing the whole race"

got this from another forum
If true, this is really disturbing to hear such things from a driver
I heard a lot of people here cried foul when Vettel said somehting on the radio

But what about this??
Alonso [-X
I am ashamed to be a Ferrari fan now
Well look at their Website, look at what their drivers are saying

And when Button complained that Alonso had stolen the start in China or Malaysia , you opened your mouth?

[nacho]

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[Maxtreeme]

All i have to say, that Hamilton should have got a stop and go, imo, i can't wait for the 107% rule to come back (bye bye slow cars) poor Webber.
And finally i won't be surprised if next time when the SC comes out, everybody will overtake it seems that to lie about objects in your visual field, does pay! and pays good!

[siskue2005]

Alonso's team-radio

"keep talking to charlie about Hamilton, it's the only thing you should keep doing the whole race"

got this from another forum
If true, this is really disturbing to hear such things from a driver
I heard a lot of people here cried foul when Vettel said somehting on the radio

But what about this??
Alonso [-X
I am ashamed to be a Ferrari fan now
Well look at their Website, look at what their drivers are saying

And when Button complained that Alonso had stolen the start in China or Malaysia , you opened your mouth?

read what Alonso said again, then think what is the difference between complaining and whining

"keep talking to charlie about Hamilton, it's the only thing you should keep doing the whole race"

i dont think Button was obsessed and called on radio and asked Mclaren team to call Charlie and asked them to keep doing that the whole race!

[Giblet]

Hulkenburg kicked those tires pretty hard after his retirement.

I haven't seen a driver behave that childlike in a long time.

Not like racing shoes have much protection, I would be surprised if he isn't...

*puts on sunglasses*

...kicking himself now with a jammed toe.

You haven't seen the Monaco GP this year then, where RB threw the bloody steering wheel in the racing line because of his frustration?

No, what I saw was Rubens chuck the wheel lightly over the side, and it took a very bounce as well. It's also what you saw, but the TV angle was poor and made it look worse than it was

Not justifying what he did, but it's not the same as a public kicking hissy fit.

Here is an angle that shows the bounce was quite random and what put the wheel on line.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWVJafXCmMM[/youtube]

[timbo]

Alonso's team-radio

"keep talking to charlie about Hamilton, it's the only thing you should keep doing the whole race"

got this from another forum
If true, this is really disturbing to hear such things from a driver
I heard a lot of people here cried foul when Vettel said somehting on the radio

But what about this??
Alonso [-X
I am ashamed to be a Ferrari fan now
Well look at their Website, look at what their drivers are saying

And when Button complained that Alonso had stolen the start in China or Malaysia , you opened your mouth?

read what Alonso said again, then think what is the difference between complaining and whining

"keep talking to charlie about Hamilton, it's the only thing you should keep doing the whole race"

i dont think Button was obsessed and called on radio and asked Mclaren team to call Charlie and asked them to keep doing that the whole race!

Does repeating it third time make it truer?
Are you 100% sure it was exactly what he said?

[Giblet]

Not sure if I remember the incident correctly, but Lewis hit SV initially, then didn't SV go over LH's wing by doing his trademark move, cutting across too early due to an apparent lack of spatial awareness?

That is a totally biased comment. Hamilton came from behind and made the initial mistake of forcing Vettel off track. As a result there was first tyre contact between Vettel's rear and Hamilton's front. Eventually the misfired pass ended in Vettel clipping Hamilton's wing but Vettel could have done nothing to change his trajectory at this point. They were both committed and collided twice due to Hamilton's misjudgment.

Whiteblue, relax. I was asking a question, how can a question be biased? I am no fanboy for any one driver or team.

I know Lewis hit SV and the whole thing was started by him, but I merely asked if SV drove over Lewis wing by cutting across too early, as he has been known to do in the past.

[WhiteBlue]

Vettel has the racing line and Hamilton is optimistically going for a gap that isn't there.



continues to evolve



wheels touch and Vettel gets pushed to the left towards the wall.






Vettel has better traction and pulls back on track.



Vettel goes back on the racing line while Hamilton is not leaving much room for him.

[Ray]

and as one person said earlier, he even crashed on a push bike and broke his leg

He was hit by a --- car at a charity event with other bikes around. Not like he rode out into a huge intersection full of cars. The stupidity of people around this website is --- mindboggling. I can see why Manchild left. You people are goddamn whiny small minded children. ...

[andartop]

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No, what I saw was Rubens chuck the wheel lightly over the side, and it took a very bounce as well. It's also what you saw, but the TV angle was poor and made it look worse than it was

Not justifying what he did, but it's not the same as a public kicking hissy fit.

Here is an angle that shows the bounce was quite random and what put the wheel on line.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWVJafXCmMM[/youtube]

So, had the thing ended up on someone's face, say Felipe Massa's, it wouldn't have been Rubens' fault but the manufacturer's who made it "bouncy"?
I would have thought "chucking" anything on the track, no matter how lightly, is strictly prohibited for safety reasons. I also thought there is a very specific rule about what drivers are supposed to do with their steering wheel after retiring from a race. I can't see how kicking the tires is anywhere near as bad to what Rubens did..

[Ray]

So, had the thing ended up on someone's face, say Felipe Massa's, it wouldn't have been Rubens' fault but the manufacturer's who made it "bouncy"?
I would have thought "chucking" anything on the track, no matter how lightly, is strictly prohibited for safety reasons. I also thought there is a very specific rule about what drivers are supposed to do with their steering wheel after retiring from a race. I can't see how kicking the tires is anywhere near as bad to what Rubens did..

He's got sunglasses on, he can't see the obvious.

[komninosm]

Anyone wants to talk about the first corner incident?

The incident was very clear. On their way to the presentation ceremony Hamilton apologized to Vettel. He was on the kerb in the first corner and had to take a wider line. Vettel said he tried to let him room, but nevertheless they touched.

After race press conference

Where did Hamilton apologize to Vettel? Source?