European GP 2010 - Valencia

[Giblet]

Thanks for the pics.

I can't tell form the pics for where the wing damage took place. Initial hit or cut across.

I'm going to have to DL the race and look.

[Giblet]

So, had the thing ended up on someone's face, say Felipe Massa's, it wouldn't have been Rubens' fault but the manufacturer's who made it "bouncy"?
I would have thought "chucking" anything on the track, no matter how lightly, is strictly prohibited for safety reasons. I also thought there is a very specific rule about what drivers are supposed to do with their steering wheel after retiring from a race. I can't see how kicking the tires is anywhere near as bad to what Rubens did..

You are completely missing my point. I'm not here to defend Rubens action. I'm just stating he didn't get out of the car and freak out in a hissy fit like Hulk did.

*HULK SMASH*

[ISLAMATRON]

Wow, alot to comment on... First of all death to FOX & SPEEDTV for tape delaying the race, I hate when they do that isht.

Start; Again the penalty for getting P2 is too big, I knew Hamilton would easily pass Webber, and the SF cars followed thru... again I say this must be fixed.

"First" corner, Hamilton had a huge run but was too far back to place his car where he did, Vettle never saw LH's front wheel so he could never know that LH was on his side... LH had reason to apologize, BUT the situation was managed and minimal contact was created, then SV pulled another one of his BS moves and chopped across LH's front wing coming out of the corner... it would have been fair if his rear tire would have been cut down.

Webber's team made a great call to change tires, he was back in the pack and this was his only chance to make moves

WHY THE HELL WAS HEIKKI IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD? this has not been asked or answered yet... every team has every right to defend their position, but it almost looked like Heikki didnt know if he wanted to block or to let Webbo by... watch the onboard from Webber, Heikki's car is bottoming and all over the track except for the racing line. Slow cars must maintain the racing line and it is the responsibility for the passing car to do so safely, both at fault but what the hell was Heikki doing it must be asked.

This whole SC thing is rediculous, the rules that the teams have written are rediculous(SWG) and the way the FIa enforce them are both horrible. As has been pointed out since refueling is banned, the pit lane should be closed as soon as the SC is indicated... also SC should be flashed in every cockpit and pit speed limited should be engaged, no passing. All this vector time, pass the SC BS needs to end.

Alonso & the CHEATERS have every right to point out LH's infringement to Charlie, nothing wrong there, but after the race they(especially race fixing alonso) needs to STFU, especially as he still continues to claim his 2008 singapore win was legit, was that manipulation Fred?

Great race by Kobay... again He makes Button look like a gutless pathetic fool, than he forced Lonso into a mistake and snatched a place from Buemi, although fresh tires helped him with those last two, still driver of the race, and great strategy by Sauber to leave him out, thought they may have called him in for his final stop a lap or two too early, or maybe not.

McLaren need to start leanring the rules of F1

[timbo]

McLaren need to start leanring the rules of F1

But why? it works great as it is))

[Intego]

Anyone wants to talk about the first corner incident?

The incident was very clear. On their way to the presentation ceremony Hamilton apologized to Vettel. He was on the kerb in the first corner and had to take a wider line. Vettel said he tried to let him room, but nevertheless they touched.

After race press conference

Where did Hamilton apologize to Vettel? Source?

After weighing while preparing for the presentation ceremony and putting on the most important cap in the world.
That was what I understood and also Sky commentator translated. - Well, LH didn't say "Sorry", but he also didn't offend SV.

[andartop]

Agreed. He did something much worse. My original comment was on your post that you haven't seen anything as childish for ages in F1. If forgetting all about rules and safety because of frustration is not as childish, especially coming from a such an experienced driver, and especially after Felipe Massa's accident, I have nothing else to comment on this.

[andrew]

From what I saw Hamilton went steaming into the first corner and braked very late. Vettel ended up on the tiny run-off area and had 2 choices - end up in a wall or cut back onto the track. Contact was innevitable in this instance. I would like to see the on-board film of the first corner. I believe there were some good shots from Webbers car.

[tomazy]

Well, just look what Webber did with his stearing wheel after his chrash, and he was not on the racing line and was not in a hurry to get out like Rubens was.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBO1mX8sKYk[/youtube]

Conserning the incident, I just do not see how Haiki is at fault? He was defending his position correctly, but braked much erlier than webber becouse of the slower car, this cauth Mark by surprise and he crashed into Haiki, it was a racing incident.

And for Hulk, drivers are just human, he was angry becouse he was on the way to score his second point in his F1 carrer. Just do not know what is so wrong to show some emotions in F1 today

[Giblet]

Agreed. He did something much worse. My original comment was on your post that you haven't seen anything as childish for ages in F1. If forgetting all about rules and safety because of frustration is not as childish, especially coming from a such an experienced driver, and especially after Felipe Massa's accident, I have nothing else to comment on this.

I shouldn't have said anything about the Rubens incident, I agree it was a really really crappy thing to do, and there is no justification for his actions. Nobody can be perfect all the time, and in this sport the smallest lapse in reason and judgement can have a huge and negative effect.

I wasn't trying to start a war here

About the Hulk incident, he is young, and I have been the subject of an occasional rage when my testosterone was pumping more, but you need to act professional in a sport like this.

Hopefully both drivers, and others, have learned from these two separate incidents.

[timbo]

what I don't understand is what happened to Hulk exactly.
Was that a tyre puncture?

[Giblet]

Not sure. They said "fire damage" and he was putting out some blue smoke, but Brundle said it could be something other than oil, like hydraulic fluid leaking onto the exhaust.

I think he had two problems. His motor might have seized, and caused his rears to lock before he got it into neutral or hit the clutch.

His delaminated tire was either separate or linked to the engine problem, and either might have caused the body damage.

[WhiteBlue]

then SV pulled another one of his BS moves and chopped across LH's front wing coming out of the corner... it would have been fair if his rear tire would have been cut down.

You obviously did not watch this with replays. Vettel was pushed off track by his rear wheel bouncing off Hamilton's front wheel. He had more than half his car off the track into the following left hand corner. He needed to get back on track and on the racing line which he did. Hamilton did not leave him enough room in the entry to the following corner and got punished when Vettel reclaimed the track and his racing line. Vettel isn't supposed roll over to Hamilton when he gets squeezed by him!

[andrew]

^^Correct.

[andartop]

Well, just look what Webber did with his stearing wheel after his chrash, and he was not on the racing line and was not in a hurry to get out like Rubens was.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBO1mX8sKYk[/youtube]

Conserning the incident, I just do not see how Haiki is at fault? He was defending his position correctly, but braked much erlier than webber becouse of the slower car, this cauth Mark by surprise and he crashed into Haiki, it was a racing incident.

And for Hulk, drivers are just human, he was angry becouse he was on the way to score his second point in his F1 carrer. Just do not know what is so wrong to show some emotions in F1 today

Webber was in the run off area when he threw that steering wheel, not in the middle of the track with cars passing half a meter away.

Heikki moved once to the right then to the left, I'm not sure that was 100% within the rules, but then again Webbo kept changing line behind him as well, trying to get the slipstream, as if he needed it, so I would agree with calling it racing incident. It's easy to be critical sitting at home in front of a TV, but the whole thing just happened so fast. Glad no one got hurt.

[komninosm]

The incident was very clear. On their way to the presentation ceremony Hamilton apologized to Vettel. He was on the kerb in the first corner and had to take a wider line. Vettel said he tried to let him room, but nevertheless they touched.

After race press conference

Where did Hamilton apologize to Vettel? Source?

After weighing while preparing for the presentation ceremony and putting on the most important cap in the world.
That was what I understood and also Sky commentator translated. - Well, LH didn't say "Sorry", but he also didn't offend SV.

So basically it didn't happen?