European GP 2010 - Valencia

[komninosm]

Agreed. He did something much worse. My original comment was on your post that you haven't seen anything as childish for ages in F1. If forgetting all about rules and safety because of frustration is not as childish, especially coming from a such an experienced driver, and especially after Felipe Massa's accident, I have nothing else to comment on this.

I don't get it. What's the big deal with Hulk kicking a tire in frustration? I remember Hakinnen (I liked him a lot) crying under a tree and various other stuff, why is Hulk considered childish?

[WhiteBlue]

Where did Hamilton apologize to Vettel? Source?

After weighing while preparing for the presentation ceremony and putting on the most important cap in the world.
That was what I understood and also Sky commentator translated. - Well, LH didn't say "Sorry", but he also didn't offend SV.

So basically it didn't happen?

They were very relaxed and happy after the race. So whatever they said Hamilton had little reason to complain and obviously knew that.

[Afterburner]

Hamilton was punished for his misdemeanour. As I said, had he just raced towards the second corner he wouldn't have been in a position to be punished. The irony is that wondering if he was being naughty actually made him naughty.

Anyway, I don't like the way that Ferrari goes about its little games running to the stewards at every turn. They weren't even doing it in an attempt to better their position - they were just trying to ruin someone elses race. And that is just sad.

I don't understand why you're beeing so blind, maybe ferrari are complaining about LH because he ruined Alonso's race and maybe because they are both fighting for the top spot? If LH had raced normally ALonso would also passed the safety car and all this would be avoided, but no, LH braked to give momentum to keep Alonso behind and now he's lying with all his teeth.

i think you are not aware of the FIA delta time which flashes on the steering wheel
there is a precise count down time given on the wheel for each sector...so everyone should go by that speed only
Moreover they are driving fast and in between a race dont know where everyone around him are etc etc and a sudden SC comes and u really think he tried to slow down Alonso when there is SC with yellow flags?

I haven't got any doubt, if what you're sayng was true Hamilton would have said that to the press and not lied has he did.

[tomazy]

Well, just look what Webber did with his stearing wheel after his chrash, and he was not on the racing line and was not in a hurry to get out like Rubens was.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBO1mX8sKYk[/youtube]

Conserning the incident, I just do not see how Haiki is at fault? He was defending his position correctly, but braked much erlier than webber becouse of the slower car, this cauth Mark by surprise and he crashed into Haiki, it was a racing incident.

And for Hulk, drivers are just human, he was angry becouse he was on the way to score his second point in his F1 carrer. Just do not know what is so wrong to show some emotions in F1 today

Webber was in the run off area when he threw that steering wheel, not in the middle of the track with cars passing half a meter away.

Heikki moved once to the right then to the left, I'm not sure that was 100% within the rules, but then again Webbo kept changing line behind him as well, trying to get the slipstream, as if he needed it, so I would agree with calling it racing incident. It's easy to be critical sitting at home in front of a TV, but the whole thing just happened so fast. Glad no one got hurt.

Well, Rubens was almost on the racing line and wanted to go out of the car and behind the berriers as fast as posible, as driver cant go out with the stearing wheel attached he got rid of it in the fastest manner posible (He couldn't of known that the wheel would bounce on the racing line, but then again he could of thrown it on the other side of the car) and those things happen.


As for Hulk, he had a right exaust failiure

[komninosm]

then SV pulled another one of his BS moves and chopped across LH's front wing coming out of the corner... it would have been fair if his rear tire would have been cut down.

You obviously did not watch this with replays. Vettel was pushed off track by his rear wheel bouncing off Hamilton's front wheel. He had more than half his car off the track into the following left hand corner. He needed to get back on track and on the racing line which he did. Hamilton did not leave him enough room in the entry to the following corner and got punished when Vettel reclaimed the track and his racing line. Vettel isn't supposed roll over to Hamilton when he gets squeezed by him!

And you accused other posters of being biased for asking a question...

I got a question for you guys. I vaguely recall in previous races, the Safety Car comes out and it goes slow and on the side letting cars pass it until it catches the leader. Am I remembering wrongly? Shouldn't it have let the Ferraris pass it?

[Giblet]

Agreed. He did something much worse. My original comment was on your post that you haven't seen anything as childish for ages in F1. If forgetting all about rules and safety because of frustration is not as childish, especially coming from a such an experienced driver, and especially after Felipe Massa's accident, I have nothing else to comment on this.

I don't get it. What's the big deal with Hulk kicking a tire in frustration? I remember Hakinnen (I liked him a lot) crying under a tree and various other stuff, why is Hulk considered childish?

It's not a big deal, just something of note that happened in the race and I commented on it.

To me it's a lesson for him. He will see himself on a replay, and I am sure Frank doesn't want his drivers freaking out in public, either of them.

Breaking a toe in a rage makes you feel kind silly I would think.

[komninosm]

After weighing while preparing for the presentation ceremony and putting on the most important cap in the world.
That was what I understood and also Sky commentator translated. - Well, LH didn't say "Sorry", but he also didn't offend SV.

So basically it didn't happen?

They were very relaxed and happy after the race. So whatever they said Hamilton had little reason to complain and obviously knew that.

But I'm not asking if Hamilton complained about Vettel at the end. I'm asking if he apologized like some people claimed. Why the run around people? Just give a proper source or admit you made it up. Can I get a straight answer please and not another run-around?

[ISLAMATRON]

then SV pulled another one of his BS moves and chopped across LH's front wing coming out of the corner... it would have been fair if his rear tire would have been cut down.

You obviously did not watch this with replays. Vettel was pushed off track by his rear wheel bouncing off Hamilton's front wheel. He had more than half his car off the track into the following left hand corner. He needed to get back on track and on the racing line which he did. Hamilton did not leave him enough room in the entry to the following corner and got punished when Vettel reclaimed the track and his racing line. Vettel isn't supposed roll over to Hamilton when he gets squeezed by him!

I cant claim to have seen every angle but it looked like Vettle cut back onto the track unnecessarily, we've seen him do it many times before, even in the pit lane, it is his signature move. Every driver uses that curb every lap thru there, he did not have to have all 4 wheels on the black, he chose to move back to the right knowing Hamilton was still there and hit his wing. Obviously he has not learned his lesson about proper racing room from his Turkey adventures.

LH had no where to go at the apex when Vettle came down on him, not SV's fault as he had no idea LH was there... although it is lap one and he should expect other cars to be in close proximity. SV had no reason to chop LH on the exit.

[Intego]

So basically it didn't happen?

They cleared the situation and it was Hamilton's confession. That's it, nothing less.

[komninosm]

Agreed. He did something much worse. My original comment was on your post that you haven't seen anything as childish for ages in F1. If forgetting all about rules and safety because of frustration is not as childish, especially coming from a such an experienced driver, and especially after Felipe Massa's accident, I have nothing else to comment on this.

I don't get it. What's the big deal with Hulk kicking a tire in frustration? I remember Hakinnen (I liked him a lot) crying under a tree and various other stuff, why is Hulk considered childish?

It's not a big deal, just something of note that happened in the race and I commented on it.

To me it's a lesson for him. He will see himself on a replay, and I am sure Frank doesn't want his drivers freaking out in public, either of them.

Breaking a toe in a rage makes you feel kind silly I would think.

Meh, I like to see people and not robots. As long as they don't endanger anyone else, some theatrics are all in good taste imo. Hakinnen crying made me like him even more for example.

[ringo]

Kubica did a great job fighting off Button. He was first in to the pitstop, but third out. Button is so lucky it's unbelivable! All season! Renault were about to take Petrov in and had to change when Kubica came in first.

Hamilton is a huge cheater, I have no great love for Alonso, but this time he's completely right. What a fake "nice guy face" he has on. How could the decision take 30 min to make? How could it be only a drive thru penalty when overtaking the SC? Is there anything more severe?

So Hamilton was planning to slow down behind the pit lane line, so he could get Alonso angry?
Hamilton clearly did not cheat. He could have simply accelerated and be in the clear.
Those accusing him of slowing Alonso are grasping for straws, Alonso would not have made it.
Calling Hamilton a huge cheater is an overstatement. A huge cheater is one that plans to cheat. No way Hamilton could have pre meditated getting himself a penalty, there was no way he would benefit from braking.
It's becuase he is overly scrutinized why he is aprehensive towards things like this. Normally any driver would have just gone straight and went ahead of the SC there.
this is a very small incident, and alonso is just angry he was overtaken in canada, out qualified and out raced in in hometown.. by the same guy who blow him away in 2007.

[jason.parker.86]

Alonso wasnt crying like a baby about playing by the rules when his team mate fixed the race in Singapore so that he won; and also when he brake tested Lewis Hamilton (I think) a few years back... The guy is a idiot and needs to shave his eye brows.

[myurr]

Meh, I like to see people and not robots. As long as they don't endanger anyone else, some theatrics are all in good taste imo. Hakinnen crying made me like him even more for example.

Exactly, what's the problem? A driver who is in line for a good points finish is let down by his equipment and shows some emotion!?

[WhiteBlue]

The guy is a idiot and needs to shave his eye brows.

What a load of bull! I don't like Alonso's whinging but what has his facial hair to do with it?

[ringo]

But I'm not asking if Hamilton complained about Vettel at the end. I'm asking if he apologized like some people claimed. Why the run around people? Just give a proper source or admit you made it up. Can I get a straight answer please and not another run-around?

What if he didn't? And what conclusion could be drawn from it?

He doesn't have to apologize. Vettel didn't apologize for taking out his own teammate in turkey.