Sebastian Vettel has secured the win of the European GP at Valencia. It had been a while, but the German ran a great race, leading from start to finish. McLaren drivers Hamilton and Button join him on the podium, while teammate Webber crashed out of the race.
They call it a "blend line" in american racing and is much safer than the stupid red lights in the pitsandartop wrote:Verifying on track position of a competitor relative to the SC and SC lines should be very quickly and easily done automatic as well, no?
Looked to me that a Force India flashed by before he even reached the limiter line, so he wouldn't have been anywhere near the first car in that line by a longshot.myurr wrote:I dislike MSc quite a lot, but to be fair to him he reached the end of the pit lane just as the first in a long line of cars got there. Had the light been green then he would have come out somewhere around that car, which I guess would have put him inside the top 10 instead of near the back.Ray wrote:Looked to me as soon as he hit his pitbox the whole field went by. At least as far as what FOX was showing in their coverage. No cars were going by when he entered pit lane and then when he was dropped off the jacks the field just started to go by pit exit. Looks to me like they made a bad call and are trying to make excuses for it again.
Have no idea or opinion at the moment, though, on whether the FIA applied the rules correctly. If they didn't then it did cost him heavily.
Depends if it's been set up in the computer as an automatically enforced rule. We know for a fact that the start is computer monitored, but it seems that the rest of the race is adjudged by the stewards and only helped by having the data. They have to assimilate and review the data, read up on the rules, discuss, decide upon a penalty and communicate that to the team - and I can see how that process may take a while.andartop wrote:Verifying on track position of a competitor relative to the SC and SC lines should be very quickly and easily done automatic as well, no?
Robert_Kubica wrote:Kubica did a great job fighting off Button. He was first in to the pitstop, but third out. Button is so lucky it's unbelivable! All season! Renault were about to take Petrov in and had to change when Kubica came in first.
Hamilton is a huge cheater, I have no great love for Alonso, but this time he's completely right. What a fake "nice guy face" he has on. How could the decision take 30 min to make? How could it be only a drive thru penalty when overtaking the SC? Is there anything more severe?
I think the cars were still pretty spaced out at that point and there was another gap behind whatever car flashed past before another longer queue of cars. Either way Schumacher was held at the end of the pitlane for a few tens of seconds as a stream of cars went past. But this is all from memory.Ray wrote:Looked to me that a Force India flashed by before he even reached the limiter line, so he wouldn't have been anywhere near the first car in that line by a longshot.
Well, it seems whether it's a stupid line or stupid red lights, Lewis has trouble seeing it!ISLAMATRON wrote:They call it a "blend line" in american racing and is much safer than the stupid red lights in the pits
Good point. I'll have to go look at it again. Though we both may be wrong because I don't remember even seeing or hearing the SC go by when he was in the pits anyway.myurr wrote:I think the cars were still pretty spaced out at that point and there was another gap behind whatever car flashed past before another longer queue of cars. Either way Schumacher was held at the end of the pitlane for a few tens of seconds as a stream of cars went past. But this is all from memory.Ray wrote:Looked to me that a Force India flashed by before he even reached the limiter line, so he wouldn't have been anywhere near the first car in that line by a longshot.
andartop wrote:Well, it seems whether it's a stupid line or stupid red lights, Lewis has trouble seeing it!ISLAMATRON wrote:They call it a "blend line" in american racing and is much safer than the stupid red lights in the pits
Maybe he should go to specsavers!
I am seeing the race again and it did seem that the SC stopped near the start line and waved through all cars till Vettel. So I don't understand why Hamilton got a penalty or why the Ferraris didn't pass it before a full lap.ISLAMATRON wrote:Dont you know senior citizens are allways given a waive by the SC?komninosm wrote:Wait, Michael was waved through? By the safety car? Where were the Ferraris then? I'm confused
actually thats a good catch... so why was he waived by and not the SF cars
I think the SC was still at the start line and waiting for Vettel when Schumacher was waiting at the red light so it was another mistake by the stewards who should not have put up that red light.myurr wrote:I think the cars were still pretty spaced out at that point and there was another gap behind whatever car flashed past before another longer queue of cars. Either way Schumacher was held at the end of the pitlane for a few tens of seconds as a stream of cars went past. But this is all from memory.Ray wrote:Looked to me that a Force India flashed by before he even reached the limiter line, so he wouldn't have been anywhere near the first car in that line by a longshot.
I'd love to see the telemetry data for that lap for both drivers!nacho wrote:Webber hits him in the braking zone, you can see some black rubber and the wavy asphalt. The speed difference is just huge, I wonder at what point did Webber think to start braking taking a clean lane and start braking, on the impact he still seemed to be going flat out.
Good overhead shot of Lewis passing the SC. I think it's a justified penalty now, but I don't think it's really all that big a deal since he didn't really lose out on second place. He could have raced for the win but it could have been alot worse. I see it as he got a penalty for breaking a rule but they should have let it slide and let everyone go around till Vettel got picked up by the SC. Lewis was chancing it and got burned. I would have done the same thing. Looks like Formula 1 needs to look at other racing series worldwide and take some of their procedures as their own. This burned Lewis and alot of others unfairly and it needs to be redone.ISLAMATRON wrote:andartop wrote:Well, it seems whether it's a stupid line or stupid red lights, Lewis has trouble seeing it!ISLAMATRON wrote:They call it a "blend line" in american racing and is much safer than the stupid red lights in the pits
Maybe he should go to specsavers!
maybe, but watching his onboard I saw him pass the SC before the line, same thing he claims here:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84838
but then watching the overhead it seems that he didnt
Well clearly there should be no penalty because the Safety Car crossed the pit exit line.ElTron wrote:Hamilton is a liar because he said that he didn't remeber anything. In the video we can see how first Ham slows his speed whe he saw tha safety car. This is made to be sure that Alonso is not going to pass the safety car. Then Hamilton accelerate and pass the safety. Hamilton would be given a black flag. The punishment he received is ridiculous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZfUwGvUOaE
