I've been watching the accident film from Webber's on board camera and as Webber was using F-duct since his left hand was not completely on the steering wheel but it seems that suddenly Kovalainen slowed down. Then, Webber's left hand sticked to steering but it was too late to prevent the touch and they had a collision! This is what I got from the accident.autogyro wrote:I wonder if the Webber crash was because of the F-duct control?
The problem is that other teams have focused too much on the diffuser. Red Bull has looked at everything forward of it. So have Renault because they have a lovely floor.marcush. wrote:for sure Red Bull does not lag far behind in difusser design ,do they?
to me it is rather obvious that some teams should look again and then ask themselves if they really don´t know why RedBull is so quick...
sorry..Webbers crash was because Webber drove his car into the back of another..that simple...And please don't tell me it was because todays drivers (Webber) can't drive with one hand,,,you know the way they all drove prior to these semi automatic gearboxes.I wonder if the Webber crash was because of the F-duct control?
But did the change in speed resulting from using the f-duct add to or even cause Webber to misjudge his braking?strad wrote:sorry..Webbers crash was because Webber drove his car into the back of another..that simple...And please don't tell me it was because todays drivers (Webber) can't drive with one hand,,,you know the way they all drove prior to these semi automatic gearboxes.I wonder if the Webber crash was because of the F-duct control?
I cannot see your meaning here.strad wrote:many of you keep talking about the Red Bull diffuser when in fact the Pull-Rod suspension compromises the effects of the diffuser. The same Pull-Rod suspension the relies more on over body downforce than under. Which is why they run best in front and not when in the turbulent pack.
That we do not understand what you are saayingstrad wrote:What??
Agreed, he makes no sense.wesley123 wrote:That we do not understand what you are saayingstrad wrote:What??
It's easy to focus on one aspect at the exclusion of others. Last year we had the double diffuser row; Brawn stated then that the diffuser wasn't the real key system but no one listened. This year the same thing is happening.segedunum wrote: The problem is that other teams have focused too much on the diffuser. Red Bull has looked at everything forward of it. So have Renault because they have a lovely floor.
But from a safety point of view, IF (and I don't know if it was or wasnt the case) Mark Webber's F-Duct was enabled at the moment of impact, his downforce would be massively reduced. If he then lost his front wing in the initial impact (which I think he did), AND his front wheels climbed over Kovalainen's rears, this COULD have significantly contributed to his voyage into the air.strad wrote:sorry..Webbers crash was because Webber drove his car into the back of another..that simple...And please don't tell me it was because todays drivers (Webber) can't drive with one hand,,,you know the way they all drove prior to these semi automatic gearboxes.I wonder if the Webber crash was because of the F-duct control?
The car would be more likely to flip if the f-duct wasn't active. When the front wing was lost all the downforce would then be on the rear.forty-two wrote:But from a safety point of view, IF (and I don't know if it was or wasnt the case) Mark Webber's F-Duct was enabled at the moment of impact, his downforce would be massively reduced. If he then lost his front wing in the initial impact (which I think he did), AND his front wheels climbed over Kovalainen's rears, this COULD have significantly contributed to his voyage into the air.strad wrote:sorry..Webbers crash was because Webber drove his car into the back of another..that simple...And please don't tell me it was because todays drivers (Webber) can't drive with one hand,,,you know the way they all drove prior to these semi automatic gearboxes.I wonder if the Webber crash was because of the F-duct control?
I am just thankful that they weren't passing under a bridge at the time, otherwise Mr Webber an/or Kovalainen might not be with us today.
EDIT: Typo