Red Bull RB6

[PlatinumZealot]

That is similar to anti-lag right? Maybe if red-bull made their exhaust piping thicker they can do this lap after lap.
They say it damages the engine.. but they should have clarified. I am not sure delaying the ignition can damage the engine I'm a little skeptical Anybody knows?

[twoshots]

The aim to get gas pressure in the exhaust during throttle lift off to make use of the extra down force of the blown diffuser when not at full throttle.

If you are pulling the air fuel mixture but delaying ignition (so as to not ignite the mixture in the combustion chamber) the unburnt mixture travels into the exhausts. The side effect of this is fuel combusting in the exhaust leading to very high exhaust temperatures. This limits it's use (along with increased fuel usage) to largely to qualifying and short stints during a race.

It's likely that while we were all convinced Red Bull had some trickery in their ride height it was actually the blown diffuser running with throttle retardation during qualifying. Switching it off for most of the race would explain McLarens comparative qualifyin/race pace.

[raymondu999]

Mark Webber's steering wheel:


Sebastian Vettel's steering wheel:

If you look at the wheels, Mark has a "normal" top, with a white sticker on it and that little tube widget, while Seb has an attachment-ish thing on it with "ridges." Mark's wheel cuts off at the yellow button, while Seb's cuts off at a higher point.

While I do understand that drivers can make requests on changes to their wheels, this is an untouched area, with no controls... unless it is actually something to change the weight of the wheel and maybe the way the wheel rotates.


And in other news,
Webber gets Lizzie (Vettel's old chassis): http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85013
While I believe that
Mandy was Webber's chassis: http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns22279.html

So everybody seems to be trading chassises around

[SpookTheHamster]

Mark's wheel has four levers (two on each side). Seb's has six (three on each side), similar to how many of the other teams have extra levers.

[Richard]

I am believing that the things you are saying is a joke...

You can believe whatever you like, but if you guys can have such a hard time figuring out why two wheels touchin launches the following car... [-X

Yes, it was common sense that Webber flipped up, but it is also fun to break it down to some basic physics.

I wonder how many said to Newton "of course the apple fell from the tree, why do you have such a hard time figuring it out"

[Boost]

That is similar to anti-lag right? Maybe if red-bull made their exhaust piping thicker they can do this lap after lap.
They say it damages the engine.. but they should have clarified. I am not sure delaying the ignition can damage the engine I'm a little skeptical Anybody knows?

When using antilag you end up with a flame running past the base of the valve and then passing through the head. This leads to localised heating of the head and more importantly tends to burn bits of the valve away.

[wesley123]

I am believing that the things you are saying is a joke...

You can believe whatever you like, but if you guys can have such a hard time figuring out why two wheels touchin launches the following car... [-X

I dont see what that has to do with your statement of the Renault engine having 900 hp wich is complete bull.

When you sdaid that i answered; 'nor webber did have that'

You answered to that with; 'this is a joke'

So actually you were answering to what i was saying to your statement wich was completely wrong, that 170mph was plausible but the renault engine has no way near 900 hp, then it would have had 140 hp more then others...
I do a few estimations;
Mercedes - 760hp
Cosworth - 760hp(it was rated as extremely powerful, but it loses power over milage really quickly, though cosworth is allowed more dsevelopment then others)
Ferrari - 755-760hp(Hard guess, the engine had an upgrade giving them 10hp, but the engine doesnt seem that well, on circuits like valencia it seems to do pretty well, wich i can say it is an engine with lots of torque, though it isnt really fuel efficient and it requires more cooling)
Renault - 740hp(though very, very fuel efficient)

When saying this i just noticed there really is an lack of engine manufacturers on the grid, too bad...

[Boost]

The Renault unit also appears to be a lighter and more compact unit than the others, which probably helps benefit the packaging on the RBR.

[Belatti]

The Renault unit also appears to be a lighter and more compact unit than the others, which probably helps benefit the packaging on the RBR.

Wasnt engine weight regulated by rules?

[wesley123]

the engines have a minimum weight of 95kg, so that isnt true.

Also the dimensions are regulated so it cannot be that one engine is larger then another

[ESPImperium]

I am believing that the things you are saying is a joke...

You can believe whatever you like, but if you guys can have such a hard time figuring out why two wheels touchin launches the following car... [-X

I dont see what that has to do with your statement of the Renault engine having 900 hp wich is complete bull.

When you sdaid that i answered; 'nor webber did have that'

You answered to that with; 'this is a joke'

So actually you were answering to what i was saying to your statement wich was completely wrong, that 170mph was plausible but the renault engine has no way near 900 hp, then it would have had 140 hp more then others...
I do a few estimations;
Mercedes - 760hp
Cosworth - 760hp(it was rated as extremely powerful, but it loses power over milage really quickly, though cosworth is allowed more dsevelopment then others)
Ferrari - 755-760hp(Hard guess, the engine had an upgrade giving them 10hp, but the engine doesnt seem that well, on circuits like valencia it seems to do pretty well, wich i can say it is an engine with lots of torque, though it isnt really fuel efficient and it requires more cooling)
Renault - 740hp(though very, very fuel efficient)

When saying this i just noticed there really is an lack of engine manufacturers on the grid, too bad...

Concidering the 3 engines that have left the sport over the past 2.5 years, BMW P86/9, Toyota RVX109 and the Honda RA808E. All IP is avalable for them and the figures for them were rumored to be as follows:

BMW P86/9: 765Hp = More powerful than the Mercedes, as good power delivery but very peaky on cooling depending on the track and conditions that day. The 8 engine rule crippled it as BMW needed 9 engines last year. Reliability issues usually happened within the first 100km of this engine, but had very little power drop off long term as well.

Toyota RVX-09: 730Hp = 10 down on the Renault and about 0.3 seconds a lap down on the Mercedes, as fuel efficient as the Renault, and better on cooling requirements. The Toyota engine was down on power, but had a massively useable torque curve available thus leading to great power delivery. If Toyota had stayed in the sport, I have no doubt this engine would have been equalised to the performance of at least the Ferrari.

Honda RA808E: 755Hp = Good overall performance, really sweet high end power, however its power delivery in lower gears was lumpy and always in a rush for speed (kind of usual for a Honda engine in Motorsport tho) Its advantage was in packaging as it had a really low CoG and other items, it was the half way house for engines between power and cooling and fuel efficiency needs.

[ringo]

where do you guys get this data from?
I know the BMW was the most powerfull from the v10 days are carried this characteristic into the v8 years, but to say how much each engine has, how do you that?

[strad]

JEEEEEEEEZ US,,,that is what you're picking on for heavens sake? Heck pick any number,,,the guys friggin bike ain't got near enough horsepower or speed and that is what the cat was talking about...He was comparing an open wheel car to his damn bike.
Now if ya want ya can go back to discussing the dymanics that cause the following car to take off when the wheels touch.

[Boost]

the engines have a minimum weight of 95kg, so that isnt true.

Also the dimensions are regulated so it cannot be that one engine is larger then another

The weight and overall dimensions only apply to the basic engine though, not the complete powerplant and ancillaries.

[forty-two]

That is similar to anti-lag right? Maybe if red-bull made their exhaust piping thicker they can do this lap after lap.
They say it damages the engine.. but they should have clarified. I am not sure delaying the ignition can damage the engine I'm a little skeptical Anybody knows?

When using antilag you end up with a flame running past the base of the valve and then passing through the head. This leads to localised heating of the head and more importantly tends to burn bits of the valve away.

Could this be the reason for the famous "spark plug fault" with Vettel's car and Webber's flume of smoke at the start of the race in Bahrain (I think it was Bahrain anyway!). Perhaps a significant amount of fuel was left in the exhaust system following the Q3 run, which burnt off at the start of the race when full power was applied?