The Fanboy Yin Yang Thread

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Try keeping things in the correct threads. [-X

Sure Rosberg has been in mid-field teams but it seems strange that he hasn't been signed by the likes of McLaren or Red Bull. I don't recall either or Ferrari have expressing an interest in him like they have done with Vettel. Maybe if Merc sort the car he will shine a bit brighter but he has just not consistantly put in the performances that I thought he would.

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Giblet wrote:
andrew wrote:
Oh I know the history here and I don't need correcting by any Senna fanboys.

Irvine was racing Hill and got lapped by Senna - fair enough.
Thats the (unjustifiable) reason I was talking about, thanks for correcting yourself for me.

BTW, again, I am no fanboy of ANY driver or ANY team. I like the sport, and dislike some aspects of some drivers and teams.

Calling people fanboys when they talk about a driver in a positive way is weak and dismissive of the facts at hand.
What's not unjustifiable about that? Senna was in the wrong by going too slow and got in the way of Irvine's race with Hill. Irvine was correct to unlap himself so that he could get on with HIS race. Bit unreasonable Senna thumping him afterwards.

I've not corrected myself as no correction was or is required.

And I used the horrible term fanboy as that is what your comment came accross as.
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Andrew, the punch was unjustifiable. No reason to ever smack someone in the face is justified.

All I am saying to you is that Senna had a REASON to be mad, but here you are......arguing that simple, true, historic, fact.

Try reading by default, comprehending, then arguing, or you are arguing about nothing, with nobody.
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andrew wrote:Try keeping things in the correct threads. [-X

Sure Rosberg has been in mid-field teams but it seems strange that he hasn't been signed by the likes of McLaren or Red Bull. I don't recall either or Ferrari have expressing an interest in him like they have done with Vettel. Maybe if Merc sort the car he will shine a bit brighter but he has just not consistantly put in the performances that I thought he would.

This is the correct thread, look at the title. Nico Rosberg is NOT Bruno Senna, and specific talk about him should not be there.

Jeez dude.

Posting in the OT would have made it go off topic. That is so simple I thought you would understand that.
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Giblet wrote:All I am saying to you is that Senna had a REASON to be mad, but here you are......arguing that simple, true, historic, fact.
No he didn't have a reason to be mad. He was the one driving the car and he was the once that got in the way of two drivers having their own race. He should have sped off into the distance, not got in the way.
Giblet wrote:Try reading by default, comprehending, then arguing, or you are arguing about nothing, with nobody.
You sure do like giving advice don't you(!) There is nothing wrong with my reading or comprehension. I stated my opinion and others chose to discuss on rather lively terms. There is also nothing wrong with standing by one's opinion and these boards are about discussion/debate or they would be boring as hell if we all said the same thing and had the same opinions.

And the Rosberg comment was part of a larger post in responce to another users post in that thread. Cross thread comments can cause confussion.

Anyway, I'm loosing the will to live with this one and we don't want to look like drama queen's again and I certainly don't want anymore blokes offering to "kiss and make up" (it was bad enough with Johnson writing that. I'm concerned about that chap), so lets call it quits, 0-0?

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Hey, hey, hey... the kids are looking. Get a room. ;) I mean, use PMs.

This thread is for fanboys, like us (go, Speedracer!), but not for ANGRY fanboys. We have a special thread for that: simply click on the box with the x (on the top right corner of every post). Your post will be sent to that special thread automatically. I can do it for you, if you wish.
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You simply are not understanding what I am saying, or Senna's reasoning, so I close with this.

Senna's reason, was that he thought that the back markers should not be racing for position. That was his reason. Reasons are personal, it is not "there was no reason".

That was his reason, and that was the reason that he had. It's reasonable to assume that the reasoning behind his reason, was that he thought back markers should not race for position, that being his reason, was why he unjustifiably punched Irvine, for that reason.

I think it is very straight forward. It's not a matter of opinion, it was this:

Irvine : Here!
Senna : What the **** do you think you were doing?
Irvine : I was racing!
Senna : You were racing? Do you know the rule that you're supposed to let the leaders come by when you're a back marker?
Irvine : If you were going fast enough, it was no problem.
Senna : I overtook you! And you went three times off the road in front of me, at the same place, like ****ing idiot, where there was oil. And you were throwing stones and all things in front of me for three laps. When I took you, you realised I was ahead of you. And when I came up behind Hill, because he was on slicks and in difficulties, you should have stayed behind me. You took a very big risk to put me out of the race.
Irvine : Where did I put you in any danger?
Senna : You didn't put me in any danger?
Irvine : Did I touch you? Did I touch you once?
Senna : No, but you were that much from touching me, and I happened to be the ****ing leader. I HAPPENED TO BE THE ****ING LEADER!
Irvine : A miss is as good as a mile.
Senna : I tell you something. If you don't behave properly in the next event, you can just rethink what you do. I can guarantee you that.
Irvine : The stewards said "No problem. Nothing was wrong."
Senna : Yeah? You wait till Australia. You wait till Australia, when the stewards will talk to you. Then you tell me if they tell you this.
Irvine : Hey, I'm out there to do the best for me.
Senna : This is not correct. You want to do well. I understand, because I've been there I understand. But it's very unprofessional. If you are a back marker, because you happen to be lapped ...
Irvine : But I would have followed you if you'd overtaken Hill!
Senna : You should let the leader go by ...
Irvine : I understand that fully!
Senna : ... and not come by and do the things you did. You nearly hit Hill in front of me three times, because I saw, and I could of collected you and him as a result, and that's not the way to do that.
Irvine : But I'm racing! I'm racing! You just happened to ...
Senna : You're not racing! You're driving like a ****ing idiot. You're not a racing driver, you're a ****ing idiot!
Irvine: You talk, you talk. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Senna : I was in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Irvine : Yes. I was battling with Hill.
Senna : Really? Really? Just tell me one thing. Who is supposed to have the call? You, or the leader of the race who comes through to lap you?
Irvine : The leader of the race.
Senna : So what have you done?
Irvine : You, you were too slow, and I had to overtake you to try to get at Hill.
Senna : Really? How did I lap you if I was too slow?
Irvine : Rain. Because on slicks you were quicker than me, on wets you weren't.
Senna : Really? Really? How did I come and overtake you on wets?
Irvine : Huh?
Senna : How come I overtook you on wets?
Irvine : I can't remember that. I don't actually remember the race.
Senna : Exactly. Because you are not competent enough to remember. That's how it goes you know.
Irvine : Fair enough. Fair enough. That's what you think.
Senna : You be careful guy.
Irvine : I will. I'll watch out for you.
Senna : You're gonna have problems not with me only, but with lots of other guys, also the FIA.
Irvine : Yeah?
Senna : You bet.
Irvine : Yeah? Good.
Senna : Yeah? It's good to know that.
Irvine : See you out there.
Senna : It's good to know that.
Irvine : See you out there ...
Appearing to turn away Senna then turns back and hits Irvine with his left hand. The blow lands on the right side of Irvine's head. Irvine loses his balance and falls off the table. Senna is still shouting as he is hustled towards the door.
Irvine yells "Insurance claim there!"
Senna (leaving) retorts "You got to learn to respect where you're going wrong!"

That is what I wanted you to google, so you could see the reason behind the punch, right or wrong, it's what happened, and why he did it.
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So why people blast Alonso's for speaking his mind in Valencia if that kind of exchange between drivers was going on in the past? lol Times really change.
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Seriously though Irvine is/was a tosser. He had many fracas in his time, the whole playboy image etc.

In the end though, Senna was the last of the old school champions. I dont think anyone can argue with that.

Couldnt resist adding this :lol:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 793365.stm
More could have been done.
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His reason may be that backmarkers should not race but that is just an insane view.

Love the "Insurance claim" comment. :lol:

Johnsin - what about Alain Prost? Surely he was the last of the old school to win a championship?

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Prost was very reserved. If anything he was one of the first new gen champions.

"Old School" champion is different to what you wrote.
More could have been done.
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Gentlemen, please don't bury the hatchet prematurely, both Prost and Senna were a*****es in their own way if you ask me.

But why don't we take it from the beginning, didn't Senna catch Prost at a suspiciouslly fast rate at Suzuka in 1989, leading me to believe that Prost set up a trap for him?
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ooooh stalking

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I want to inform the new (and not so new) members that this thread was made to talk about drivers. The P in PM means Personal, as when the message interests you and your pal. I'm a deleter these days, why, o why? What are you trying to convert me into? I repeat my conviction: whatever you say about drivers, that, you are. That's what separates fanboys from fanmen.

On a side note (on thread?) I'm surprised by n_smikle surprise. There are, still, people that has lovers, use drugs, swear, fight, do not believe in Jesus or Mahoma, yawns in public, farts, and, generally, lives in sin (they are politically incorrect, as they say now), but are not necessarily worried about other's people opinion. Zest for life is a thing you can have, beloved members. Role models, role schmodels. People is alive, you know?

So, in the end, I think there are reasons you can have to smack someone in the face. Heck, there are reasons to smack someone in the bollocks! ;) You might not share those reasons, you might not approve those reasons, but sometimes you can understand them. Of course, violence is the resource of the incompetent, but not everybody is competent all the time. This idea must be wrong somehow, but you should see the people where I live.
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Besides, I am quite certain that JM Balestre was colluding with Ron-the-con in getting a French WDC, allegedly offering McLaren
a position with the FIA as the "preferable team to win" for 1990?

Come on you guys, take the bait, will you...?
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