Piquet - GONE!!! (At Last???)

[mx_tifoso]

AFAIK Romain Grosjean is pretty much in the race seat, but with all of the surprises we've had lately we can expect someone else just as well.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Either way I guess all that was stopping Piquet from matching Alonso was a 6 day test.

Or maybe Piquet is just rubbish?

[andrew]

All that stopped Piquet was Briatore and Alonso. This was evident at Hockenheim 2008 when for 1 race Piquet had the team behind him and led for a while and finished an excellent second.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

All that stopped Piquet was Briatore and Alonso. This was evident at Hockenheim 2008 when for 1 race Piquet had the team behind him and led for a while and finished an excellent second.

If it was Briatore and Alonso, why didnt anyone else see this Andrew?
If what you are saying is correct he would still be in F1

[andrew]

Everyone would have seen this if MrM hadn't messed up his manhunt for Briatore.

Look at the drivers Briatore has had in his teams. One driver is always massivly worse off, not slighty as in most other teams. Basically it was Alonso F1 not Renault.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

If piquet was anygood he would still be in F1, do you not agree?
That he is not means 1 of 2 things. He aint good enough, or F1 doesnt know a good driver when they see one.

[vall]

All that stopped Piquet was Briatore and Alonso. This was evident at Hockenheim 2008 when for 1 race Piquet had the team behind him and led for a while and finished an excellent second.

you are joking right? Piquet got lucky with the SC that's it. But then instead of goign on to with the race, she just gave the place to LH without any fight....

[andrew]

He isn't in F1 due to crashgate. He is damaged goods as far as team bosses are concerned.

His lower series results are pretty good and he was Hamilton's closest rival in GP2. Now by that if everyone thinks Hamilton is good then Piquet can't be all that far off. Unless Hamilton isn't all that good?

I reckon if he had started in another team without such a high profile team mate he would have developed as a driver a lot better.

[andrew]

All that stopped Piquet was Briatore and Alonso. This was evident at Hockenheim 2008 when for 1 race Piquet had the team behind him and led for a while and finished an excellent second.

you are joking right? Piquet got lucky with the SC that's it. But then instead of goign on to with the race, she just gave the place to LH without any fight....

Am I joking? Don't see any laughing smilies or "knock knock..." written!

2nd place is 2nd place. Doesn't matter how it's gotten.

Piquet was delighted with his drive to second after qualifying 17th, saying:

I am obviously very happy! After qualifying yesterday I was thinking that my weekend was over, but we opted for an aggressive strategy in the race and the team made some great decisions when the safety car came out. Then I had to concentrate to keep my pace up and look after my tyres as much as possible towards the end of the race. I knew that Lewis was much faster than me, so I did not want to take any pointless risks. This second place today is a great reward for the whole team.

Very sensible thing to say, not taking any risks when there is a much faster car behind.

[myurr]

He isn't in F1 due to crashgate. He is damaged goods as far as team bosses are concerned.

His lower series results are pretty good and he was Hamilton's closest rival in GP2. Now by that if everyone thinks Hamilton is good then Piquet can't be all that far off. Unless Hamilton isn't all that good?

I reckon if he had started in another team without such a high profile team mate he would have developed as a driver a lot better.

In GP2 Piquet was the established driver in his second season whereas Hamilton was the rookie in his first season. Hamilton was the faster driver, Piquet the more consistent finisher routinely just bagging the points.

For whatever reason, and we've seen it plenty of times before, Hamilton was able to make the switch to F1 and get better as a driver whereas Piquet was not. Maybe it's environment, some of it will be down to the cars and team mates they got, some of it will be down to natural differences in driving style with the F1 cars suiting some out the box but not others, but in my view it is also at least in part due to Hamilton's ability to adapt. He is one of the best, if not the best, drivers on the grid at getting immediately up to speed on track and with dealing with changeable conditions. It's also one of the reasons he excels in wet weather. He has a natural gift to feel what the car is doing and adapt his driving to get the most out of it, particularly when the car is sliding and under braking.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Kobayashi was average in GP2 in an average team, yet you can tell he is the best to have come out of there since Hamilton.
I think GP2 is not too disimilar to F1 in that you need a good team around you to be succesfull.
This includes the much lauded Hulkenburg who so far has been outperformed by Barrichello.

[ringo]

I'm going to defend piquet.
He was better than we give him credit for. He made stupid mistakes on track. but he was quick. He would have done better if he was given more time.

About the Mp4 24. The car was able to win races, but by no means was it a well balanced car to drive, nor did it have as much downforce as the brawn or redbull.
It's only chance of winning races was with it's KERS, and it's slow speed characteristics. The driver had to pay special attention to these strong points and exploit them.
Because of this, any driver couldn't jump in the donkey and win races off the bat, like they would a RB5 or Brawn car.

The car wasn't even half the car the toyota was. Remember Suzuka 2009, and the Hamilton Truli Battle?
That showed that the 24 wasn't even 4rth best, in terms of down-force and stability.
The car could win, but only in special situations that play to it's limited strengths.

[Shaddock]

He isn't in F1 due to crashgate. He is damaged goods as far as team bosses are concerned.

By your own logic, then anyone involved in this incident wouldn't be welcome in F1 anymore regardless of their talent?

[andrew]

He isn't in F1 due to crashgate. He is damaged goods as far as team bosses are concerned.

By your own logic, then anyone involved in this incident wouldn't be welcome in F1 anymore regardless of their talent?

Not at all. Can't see how you work that one out.

[Shaddock]

He isn't in F1 due to crashgate. He is damaged goods as far as team bosses are concerned.

By your own logic, then anyone involved in this incident wouldn't be welcome in F1 anymore regardless of their talent?

Not at all. Can't see how you work that one out.

If he's damaged goods because of the race fixing incident then surely everyone who had a direct involement would be 'damaged goods' as well?