They need to figure out how much the wing in the flexed position gives them before they pursue it.
Right now, i think they have a strong front end, but need to focus on a new upper diffuser and the ebd.
You surprise me Ringo. I would have thought that getting the FW right is absolutely vital. Since the FW is the thing which meets the air first and affects how the air travels past the car, getting that right is surely fundamental to getting the EBD/diffusor in general to work properly?ringo wrote:They need to figure out how much the wing in the flexed position gives them before they pursue it.
Right now, i think they have a strong front end, but need to focus on a new upper diffuser and the ebd.
forty-two wrote:You surprise me Ringo. I would have thought that getting the FW right is absolutely vital. Since the FW is the thing which meets the air first and affects how the air travels past the car, getting that right is surely fundamental to getting the EBD/diffusor in general to work properly?ringo wrote:They need to figure out how much the wing in the flexed position gives them before they pursue it.
Right now, i think they have a strong front end, but need to focus on a new upper diffuser and the ebd.
myurr wrote:Wow, however did they come up with the f-duct then, something that the engineers at Ferrari and Redbull have copied.n smikle wrote:I honestly think that the Engineers at mclaren don't have the same understanding of aerodynamics as the engineers at Ferrari and RedBull. Some little edge that mclaren don't have.siskue2005 wrote:what is hampering Mclaren?
why are they suddenly 25 sec off the race leader?
IS it the blown diffusor which is causing this problem?
Back in reality the difference is simply the way the teams approach upgrading the cars. Red Bull and McLaren have both gone down the incremental upgrade route, bringing a little bit of an upgrade to each and every race, whereas Ferrari have gone the major upgrade route whereby their car stagnated for several races before they brought out a big upgrade. Now they've got that big upgrade working they've taken a big step forward, but they've lost out in previous races whilst Red Bull and McLaren brought home the points.
We'll see at the end of the year which approach is right.
ringo wrote:They need to figure out how much the wing in the flexed position gives them before they pursue it.
Right now, i think they have a strong front end, but need to focus on a new upper diffuser and the ebd.
Why do you thing wing flex has anything to do with ability to follow another car in traffic?marcush. wrote:Button seemed to have issues following Hamilton through Nordkurve too closely ...
So at least in traffic conditions they could make use of it.
Not per se ..but being able to generate more front downforce at higher speeds should /could help your ability to avoid understeer ...timbo wrote:Why do you thing wing flex has anything to do with ability to follow another car in traffic?marcush. wrote:Button seemed to have issues following Hamilton through Nordkurve too closely ...
So at least in traffic conditions they could make use of it.
IMO if anything it should make matters worse.
But if produced DF is positive feedback function (more DF->more bending->more DF) the wing must be much more sensitive to the air perturbation.marcush. wrote:Not per se ..but being able to generate more front downforce at higher speeds should /could help your ability to avoid understeer ...
Well, I'd like to see that as a proof of how smart I am , but clearly there can be much more than front wing attitude.marcush. wrote:And this would explain why Redbull is not able to show its speed in traffic!
we have seen Webber and Vettel really struggling to make inroads when not starting from the front,did we?
I think the front end is very strong in terms of down force, which is what i think the flexing benefits more than it does flow conditioning.forty-two wrote:You surprise me Ringo. I would have thought that getting the FW right is absolutely vital. Since the FW is the thing which meets the air first and affects how the air travels past the car, getting that right is surely fundamental to getting the EBD/diffusor in general to work properly?ringo wrote:They need to figure out how much the wing in the flexed position gives them before they pursue it.
Right now, i think they have a strong front end, but need to focus on a new upper diffuser and the ebd.
ringo wrote:They need to figure out how much the wing in the flexed position gives them before they pursue it.
As if by magic, here's a quote from Paddy Lowe:ringo wrote:It's best Mclaren get to the point and run the thing lower in the tunnel instead of tinkering around figuring how to get the thing lower.
Paddy Lowe wrote:"What we are doing at the moment is working really hard to try to understand it and see if it's worth performance to us and whether we can also deliver that."
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