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McLaren have chosen some interesting design routes on their new competitor. In addition to our own technical analysis, McLaren's Tim Goss and Paddy Lowe explain why some decisions have been made in light of the regulation changes.
it is widespread fact that teams add .25s to their car potential per race ....unfortunatelly I does not really stack up to reality ....internetf1fan wrote:I reckon the McLaren would be faster if they stuck to their old car and their own design philosophy. I remember Andy saying that the car had much unlocked potential in Autosport forums. And now they suddenly decide to change to EBD? Why not unlock the potential of the old car first? The race pace of the old car was splendid and allowed regular high scoring points. With the new car it seems Hamilton and Button will be struggling to get 4th and 5th. think about it, how many podiums has the old car given us?
we've got to give this new package a couple of races to see the real effect.internetf1fan wrote:I reckon the McLaren would be faster if they stuck to their old car and their own design philosophy. I remember Andy saying that the car had much unlocked potential in Autosport forums. And now they suddenly decide to change to EBD? Why not unlock the potential of the old car first? The race pace of the old car was splendid and allowed regular high scoring points. With the new car it seems Hamilton and Button will be struggling to get 4th and 5th. think about it, how many podiums has the old car given us?
Less then this years car...internetf1fan wrote:think about it, how many podiums has the old car given us?
he referred to the MP4/25 in its pre ebd config... I´d think..wesley123 wrote:Less then this years car...internetf1fan wrote:think about it, how many podiums has the old car given us?
What you are saying is that you suggest they should run the MP4/24 again? I do not know if you are that stupid, but the MP4/24 is an old car, an car that is behind in development and overall in pace too, then it can have alot of unlocked development but i dont see the good thing of that since the car is way behind the standards of now. please, think!
And then i havent even said about homologation so they cant refer back.
Exactly...He is talking about MP4-25 before the EBD upgrade.marcush. wrote:he referred to the MP4/25 in its pre ebd config... I´d think..wesley123 wrote:Less then this years car...internetf1fan wrote:think about it, how many podiums has the old car given us?
What you are saying is that you suggest they should run the MP4/24 again? I do not know if you are that stupid, but the MP4/24 is an old car, an car that is behind in development and overall in pace too, then it can have alot of unlocked development but i dont see the good thing of that since the car is way behind the standards of now. please, think!
And then i havent even said about homologation so they cant refer back.
No need to be that offensive as well.Thinking before posting ...wesley123 wrote:Less then this years car...internetf1fan wrote:think about it, how many podiums has the old car given us?
What you are saying is that you suggest they should run the MP4/24 again? I do not know if you are that stupid, but the MP4/24 is an old car, an car that is behind in development and overall in pace too, then it can have alot of unlocked development but i dont see the good thing of that since the car is way behind the standards of now. please, think!
And then i havent even said about homologation so they cant refer back.
No, he was clearly (at least everybody except you see it as clearly) talking about the pre-ebd version of the car. Take this as a hint that maybe you can be less aggressive in your postings some time, doesn't hurt to ask for clarifications or just kindly point out mistakes.wesley123 wrote:well he was saying old car, so i was thinking about last years car.
Anyway, you cant state mclaren went wrong after only 3.5 days of EBD testing and outside of that the regular development program will still continue.
It's also the law of diminishing returns. The EBD was supposed to give up between 3-5 tenths in it's first incarnation. That sort of return takes a lot of time and money in front/rear wings half way into a season.internetf1fan wrote:I reckon the McLaren would be faster if they stuck to their old car and their own design philosophy. I remember Andy saying that the car had much unlocked potential in Autosport forums. And now they suddenly decide to change to EBD? Why not unlock the potential of the old car first? The race pace of the old car was splendid and allowed regular high scoring points. With the new car it seems Hamilton and Button will be struggling to get 4th and 5th. think about it, how many podiums has the old car given us?
You're really beating that dead horse, mate. They've started developing the EBD and it's got enormous potential as evidenced by Ferrari. To suggest they stay the course would be nonsensical in most people's view.internetf1fan wrote:I reckon the McLaren would be faster if they stuck to their old car and their own design philosophy. I remember Andy saying that the car had much unlocked potential in Autosport forums. And now they suddenly decide to change to EBD? Why not unlock the potential of the old car first? The race pace of the old car was splendid and allowed regular high scoring points. With the new car it seems Hamilton and Button will be struggling to get 4th and 5th. think about it, how many podiums has the old car given us?
ell66 wrote:Im sorry but you can no make any kind of comparsion between the macs and ferrai's, hamilton had a damaged front wing, and even said afterwards he was understeering all over the place. and button was fighting for postion in the early laps.ringo wrote:I'll put these time gaps here, since it's relevant to the pace of the car. This is for valencia; the first 10 laps. Unfortunately the SC meant Alonso was not able to focus on his race and he was in traffic, so we can only use the first 10 laps to really get an idea of the pace. The cars are heavy so it reflects well on the overall performance of the cars. These are the gaps. The time data are in the race thread.
button Alonso_____hamilton alonso
0.02______________-0.01
0.419______________-0.708
1.146______________-0.187
-0.098_____________-0.59
0.943______________0.04
0.849______________0.364
0.692______________0.221
0.6________________0.33
16.997_____________0.197
Alonso is mostly faster than button here, even though button was racing kubica and webber in the first lap. Looking on the gap to hamilton, Alonso is faster from lap 5 till the accident; Hamilton's wing was broken as well.
The ferrari is not slower than the Mclaren and the new diffuser system may be more developed for the next race.
I think the f10 was the quicker car here, taking into account Button to Alonso's pace. Hamilton was still faster with the broken wing and then he slowed, so his times are not a good base, his driving is also exceptional at low fuel since he gets up to speed quickly.
Mclaren can't be complacent, they need the update at silverstone. Ferrari are yet to stretch the new f10s legs for us to write them off. And i am not even a ferrari fan, but those opening laps seemed convincing to me that mclaren will have a tough race in silverstone if the update does not bring the gains.
IMO they were fairly evenly matched, but i exepct mcalren to have the edge in 2 weeks time, silverstone should suit the 25 and there f-duct well, and who knows what benefit this blown diffuser may or may not bring.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85642"I have said since Valencia, since they [Ferrari] had their upgrade, that they are faster than us," Hamilton said at the Hungaroring. "Even though it didn't show in that race weekend and it didn't show in Silverstone, they have been faster than us for a while.