Hungarian GP 2010 - Hungaroring

[komninosm]

I don't get it. Everyone complains at the lack of racing and overtaking and when the finally see some hairy arsed, balls out racing they can't stop complaining.

I really hope that Barrichello gets some sort of reprimand as what he did was ridiculous. There was next to no space to the right, but bags of space on the left yet he goes to the right where there is next to no space? Rookie error.

We complain about lack of overtaking and that idiotic move by Shoemaker is against overtaking so your point is moot as usual.
Drivers have to learn that when the car behind you gets his front wheels level with your rear wheels you have to go straight and not veer into him any more. THAT SIMPLE!

[komninosm]

what a race! i love it when a race that you expect to be totally boring turns out this entertaining!

i thought petrov did an awesome job and so did kobayashi!

another "oh dear" goes to vettel. trust him to mess up his own race yet again he shouldnt try to get pole position next time, maybe he will finally win something. hes lucky hamilton got no points, otherwise hed be even more in the dumps.
and i would really like him to grow up a little. i understand hes still young and lacks experience and what not but seriously? throwing his hat on the podium was so lame and sittin in the press conference like a little kid whose toys had been taken away.. thats not what i expect from a future championship winner. maybe being pampered by the team showed its downside here, time for some tough love from horner me thinks.
well done for tryin to catch alonso though.

and schumi? he was clearly fighting a lost battle. havin all this experience, he should know when to pull back. that was ridiculous made great tv though, especially when both drivers gave interviews afterwards LOL

why exactly did kubica get a stop and go? it wasnt even his fault?
and why dont they forbid pit stops during a SC phase? its obviously leading to (dangerous) chaos..

Kettle threw his hat? Really?

[komninosm]

First post here, so howdy everybody?!

Well, about today's Schumacher-Barrichello incident; I can't see how it is worse than Webber-Massa (2008 Japanese GP). By the way, no penalties back then.

I don't remember anybody being as sensitive back then as some seems to be right now.

Not to mention Senna-Prost in Portugal 1988; now we’re talking real killer instinct.

Anyway, I think many people just don’t like Schumacher for the fact that maybe he was born in the wrong country. Had Hamilton done the same and the many would have been explaining how tenacious and full of a fighting spirited he is and so on.

Just to refresh our memories:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxY_bpUIfLs[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zznJjSncGCE[/youtube]

Cheers to all!

Obviously you're wrong, people complained then as they do now. FIA penalties are erratic.
You're also wrong about Shoemaker being German mattering to people.

[komninosm]

Not to mention Senna-Prost in Portugal 1988; now we’re talking real killer instinct.

You can easily see that Senna actually left more than enough room for Prost.

Also Senna went left again pretty fast and didn't squeeze Prost all the way to the corner. And it was Prost who wobbled his car a bit. And Senna didn't make 2 changes of direction like Shoemaker.

[andrew]

I thought a second move was illegal? Oh right, it is. If Schumi was following the rules, which he was given a penalty for NOT following, he should not have been there in the first place, so Rubens was going to a spot that should have remained OPEN.

More than one move off the racing line IS considered dangerous blocking, and gets penalized.

Only saw one move continually to the left. If anyone was dangerous it was Barrichello as he was off the track at one stage and went for a gap that was getting smaller.

By your reasoning Shumacher should have stopped, got out of his car and put down a red carpet for Barrichello saying "After you old chap."

[komninosm]

I thought a second move was illegal? Oh right, it is. If Schumi was following the rules, which he was given a penalty for NOT following, he should not have been there in the first place, so Rubens was going to a spot that should have remained OPEN.

More than one move off the racing line IS considered dangerous blocking, and gets penalized.

Only saw one move continually to the left. If anyone was dangerous it was Barrichello as he was off the track at one stage and went for a gap that was getting smaller.

By your reasoning Shumacher should have stopped, got out of his car and put down a red carpet for Barrichello saying "After you old chap."

Stop confusing left with right please.
Also go watch the entire event from the start of the straight to the end of it.

[WhiteBlue]

Rubens makes a final decision not to back off. He is pointed into a wedge off the track against the wall before his front wheels pass Michael's rear wheels. This is the point where I say that Rubens contributed to the dangerous situation.

WB, I'm afraid you're ..... (deleted offensive language). There can be no other explanation.

A final decision not to back off?!!

@ anybody
attacking other posters personally and making statements about their mental state/health is taking it a bit far IMO.
That´s a very low level.
I´m sure we all on this forum can do better than that.
So let´s try to be respectfull !!

Well said 747heavy! The moderators usually delete inappropriate remarks. The rule of the board and the reasonable thing to do is respecting each other, regardless of the opinion other people have. Sensible people know that and will have their own opinion of those who cannot be bothered to show respect.

[ESPImperium]

Mercedes & Renault both fined $50,000 for unsafe realeases from the pit lane.

[andrew]

Seems appropriate.

I wonder if the Renault lollipop man was distracted by the wayward wheel? The rear left tyre mechanic did well to get out of the way of the tyre and an incoming Sauber and still get back to his position without any lost time.

[segedunum]

@ anybody
attacking other posters personally and making statements about their mental state/health is taking it a bit far IMO.
That´s a very low level.
I´m sure we all on this forum can do better than that.
So let´s try to be respectfull !!

Well said 747heavy! The moderators usually delete inappropriate remarks. The rule of the board and the reasonable thing to do is respecting each other, regardless of the opinion other people have. Sensible people know that and will have their own opinion of those who cannot be bothered to show respect.

I'm sure we can do better than that. The least that you can do is to stop trolling the board with a justification for that manoeuvre and insulting peoples' intelligence.

In reality what you're saying is that if Rubens tries to overtake he's being dangerous, because that's all he's done there. You're not just trying to justify Schumacher's move, which is one thing in itself and you can certainly have views on, but you're also trying to say that Rubens is being dangerous at the same time. That's just madness I'm afraid. I'm at a loss to explain that any other way.

EDIT: I'm sure we can also learn to not take things to literally as well which just takes things off-topic.

[Giblet]

There was more than one move, he didn't keep an angle down the straight, he moved right two separate times in retaliation to Rubens.

[andrew]

I think we all just have to agree to disagree before this gets nasty. My opinion is plain for all to see, as is WhiteBlue's, Giblet's, 747heavy etc, etc. All the valid points have been raised and now insults will posibaly start which I for one don't want.

Lets discuss the Renault v Force India pitlane or Mercedes throwing thier wheels away or Vettel's driving after teh safety car as the huge gap seemed very strange to me.

Vettel seemed to be lightning fast then on the hards he was no where until towards the end of the race. Looked like he was there to slow Alonso (the dreaded team orders?) but maybe I am getting into a conspirosy theory there. If I am, fair enough I'll knock that one on the head.

[andrew]

There was more than one move, he didn't keep an angle down the straight, he moved right two separate times in retaliation to Rubens.

I disagree but respect your right to stand by your opinion as it is just as valid as anyone else's.

[segedunum]

There was more than one move, he didn't keep an angle down the straight, he moved right two separate times in retaliation to Rubens.

Not to mention that you can see him clearly looking in his right hand mirror as he does so.

[segedunum]

I disagree but respect your right to stand by your opinion as it is just as valid as anyone else's.

It's not an opinion and trying to paint this as a situation where everybody's 'opinion' is valid regardless of what justification they give is simply bogus.

He moves right, stops and then moves right again - all while he is looking in his right hand mirror and reacting to where Rubens is going. If you can't see that, or don't want to see it, then you just can't be helped. To explain that we'll have to go through the video footage frame by frame telling you exactly where he starts moving and where he stops and go through the concept of what stopping and starting means - and you still won't want to see it.