Hungarian GP 2010 - Hungaroring

[andrew]

I disagree but respect your right to stand by your opinion as it is just as valid as anyone else's.

It's not an opinion and trying to paint this as a situation where everybody's 'opinion' is valid regardless of what justification they give is simply bogus.

He moves right, stops and then moves right again - all while he is looking in his right hand mirror and reacting to where Rubens is going. If you can't see that, or don't want to see it, then you just can't be helped. To explain that we'll have to go through the video footage frame by frame telling you exactly where he starts moving and where he stops and go through the concept of what stopping and starting means - and you still won't want to see it.

My opinion differs but I do not want to be filling up page after page on this one issue. I have nothing more to say on the Schumacher v Barrichello thing as everything has been said and there is not point in repeating the same thing again and again. You can either agree or disagree, it is up to you but you know my opinion.

[segedunum]

I think we all just have to agree to disagree before this gets nasty. My opinion is plain for all to see, as is WhiteBlue's, Giblet's, 747heavy etc, etc. All the valid points have been raised and now insults will posibaly start which I for one don't want.

People want to see what they want to see in the video footage and you have to try and explain that in some way, so yer, you'll probably think that you're being insulted. Accusing Rubens of being dangerous there in particular, is simply lunacy because there's no evidence for it. He pulls out to overtake. That's it. No, I'm afraid your opinion isn't valid in light of the evidence we've seen.

[747heavy]

There was more than one move, he didn't keep an angle down the straight, he moved right two separate times in retaliation to Rubens.

Not to mention that you can see him clearly looking in his right hand mirror as he does so.

Yes he does, to make sure he leaves him just enough room to breath/stay alive.
Don´t get me wrong. I´m sure he full well know what he did, and why he did it - that was not a "mistake". He was going to make RB´s life hard, and see if he really has the balls to pull it off. As it turned out he (RB) did, and then MS concided and let him come back onto the track and take the position he has earned rightly - but not one jota before.

Sure he could have made his life easier, but why should he. I just don´t think, he was out to hurt/kill him, that´s all.

I think andrew made a good comment. Let´s move on to other aspects of the race.
Some people will see the MS move as very hard but still within the limits, other will see it as pushing it too far, and as unsportsmanlike - that´s fair enough.
The FIA has stated their point of view, and that´s fine with me. Racing and life will go on, for all involved. RB will be proud of this move, and rightly so, but in his heart of hearts he will know full well that he was rolling the dice there.
For me that´s what racing should be all about.

[segedunum]

My opinion differs but I do not want to be filling up page after page on this one issue.

I'm sure you'll have no difficult being the bigger man here.

You can either agree or disagree, it is up to you but you know my opinion.

I know that you're wrong. Opinions have to be justified to a point where we get some consensus on what has actually happened, and there is clear evidence of two moves from Schumacher and no evidence whatsoever, in any way shape or form, that anything Rubens did was dangerous.

Take it or leave it. Preferably leave it because you've actually stopped talking about the incident itself, started telling us that we all have opinions and are taking things off-topic as a result.

[andrew]

Please stop trying to discuss this with me. I have done that already and am not going to waste space and time repeating myself. Everything that I can offer on the matter is above and I have nothing to add and will not be changing my opinion.

[segedunum]

Yes he does, to make sure he leaves him just enough room to breath/stay alive.

The move was dangerous, the stewards have deemed it to be so and they don't want car parts flying into the crowd or the pitlane. If he does it again he'll get penalised again so he can keep that in his mind.

[segedunum]

Please stop trying to discuss this with me.

Can anyone say contradiction in terms? So you wasted more space and another comment not discussing the incident and the two separate moves that we now know you can't see.......again? We get it. You don't want to discuss it.

[Giblet]

Put it this way Andrew, if Segedunum and I agree on something, it has to be %100 true

[andrew]

Please stop trying to discuss this with me.

Can anyone say contradiction in terms? So you wasted more space and another comment not discussing the incident and the two separate moves that we now know you can't see.......again? We get it. You don't want to discuss it.

No contradiction. I have commented at length, had a short debate with Giblet (which are always fun!) and personnally am done with it. Feel free to discuss with others, but I have said all I can say on it so from my point of view there is little value in commenting further.

[andrew]

Put it this way Andrew, if Segedunum and I agree on something, it has to be %100 true

Ahem, yes, well.... no comment

[xpensive]

I'm afraid that these are the signs of an increasingly frustrated 7-time WDC, perhaps starting to feel humiliated,
overtaken by his old co-pilot driving a kit-car while fighting for P10?

I seriously doubt he will finish this very season, but how can you tell?

[segedunum]

...but I have said all I can say on it so from my point of view there is little value in commenting further.

Then don't, because you're not reinforcing anything you're written or making it factual in any way by commenting further and off-topic.

[747heavy]

RB`s comment:

>>> Today, I would not back off for anything and I had fun, but for me it was not necessary. <<<<

Fair enough, and good on you RB, but it takes two to tango.
You had the fun and won the position, why come back and bitch about it???
Just be proud of your move, it was brave and good and you got what you wanted.

[andrew]

I'm afraid that these are the signs of an increasingly frustrated 7-time WDC, perhaps starting to feel humiliated,
overtaken by his old co-pilot driving a kit-car while fighting for P10?

I seriously doubt he will finish this very season, but how can you tell?

I think he will see the end of the season but doubt it for next year. When he was announced by Merc at the start of the year I did wonder if he was only hired for one year as a development driver and to attract sponsors. All the pre-season talk of championships will carry a bit more weight from Schumacher than it would from Rosberg and will look pretty impressive to potential sponsors.

[Ray]

Awesome race. Hate to see Vettel fall on his sword to help Mark out, he deserved better than what he got. Red Bull should have told him straight away what he had done wrong because it seemed like even after the race he didn't know.

You know WB, you are great for a laugh. Same goes for Andrew. You guys are great entertainment!

(I don't mean that in a malicious way, I'm not attacking you guys and I respect your opinions most of the time ,and in WBs case you always have great data to back yours up without fail. Don't take that as an attack because that's not the intent.)