Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

[autogyro]

I did not.
I said that the clutch would be prevented from engageing until all wheels were confirmed as locked on.
That has absolutely nothing to do with traction control.

[aral]

I did not.
I said that the clutch would be prevented from engageing until all wheels were confirmed as locked on.
That has absolutely nothing to do with traction control.

Sorry if I misunderstood your post. I took it that you were saying that ALL wheels would not be immobilised, but that just the one that was not "locked" would be immobilised.

[strad]

and it's a silly idea!

[autogyro]

Why is it a silly idea?
Not a very technical comment for this thread is it?

[strad]

Ya don't gotta be technical to realize it's a silly idea and a waste of time and energy

[mx_tifoso]

Unless someone brings along a real counter argument I don't see why it's silly, especially since it would offer a much safer pit environment.

[xpensive]

Unless someone brings along a real counter argument I don't see why it's silly, especially since it would offer a much safer pit environment.

First of all, this is not a frequent problem, secondly, I think it would be overcomplicating things for a not very dangerous situation, losing a wheel in the pitlane is not really that bad.

[aral]

Unless someone brings along a real counter argument I don't see why it's silly, especially since it would offer a much safer pit environment.

First of all, this is not a frequent problem, secondly, I think it would be overcomplicating things for a not very dangerous situation, losing a wheel in the pitlane is not really that bad.

You are right. No team wants a wheel to fall off their car and will try to ensure that a mechanical failure of the locking system, cannot occur. Bringing a dubious electronic system in would complicate matters. What would happen in a queuing situation, where the 1st car has the lollipop raised, and tries to move off? The waiting car will either begin to move forward, believing the 1st car is going to depart, and risks crashing into the 1st car. Or, the queuing car will have to remain stationary until the problem is fixed, thus losing numerous positions in the race. The only recent instances have been Alonso last year, and Rosberg this year. No big problem.

[autogyro]

I disagree completely with your argument gilgen.
The system would not be complex and could be very efficient and reliable.
All the problems you state would be far worse if a wheel fell off the car.
In fact if a wheel was not locked on properly and the clutch did not engage it would be absolutely no different to the driver stalling the engine.

[strad]

First of all, this is not a frequent problem, secondly, I think it would be overcomplicating things for a not very dangerous situation, losing a wheel in the pitlane is not really that bad..... Bringing a dubious electronic system in would complicate matters. ....

SPOT ON buddy.

[WhiteBlue]

I believe that a wheel nut locking monitoring system would not exceed the cost of the tyre pressure monitoring that is already in use if it is done in comparable numbers. All you do is reading a mechanical value like pressure or strain and transmit it wireless to the SECU. The development of such a system may be costly and initially one may experience some implementation problems but I understand that some forms of motor sport already use such a system. So I cannot see why it should not work in F1 where we had several cases of loose wheel nut per annum. It is just a question of all parties agreeing to spending that kind of money for the safety concern at hand.

[autogyro]

First of all, this is not a frequent problem, secondly, I think it would be overcomplicating things for a not very dangerous situation, losing a wheel in the pitlane is not really that bad.

..... Bringing a dubious electronic system in would complicate matters. ....[/quote]
SPOT ON buddy.[/quote]

You are wrong, loose wheels often stay on until the car is at racing speed.
The potential danger is obvious.

[aral]

First of all, this is not a frequent problem, secondly, I think it would be overcomplicating things for a not very dangerous situation, losing a wheel in the pitlane is not really that bad.

..... Bringing a dubious electronic system in would complicate matters. ....

SPOT ON buddy.[/quote]

You are wrong, loose wheels often stay on until the car is at racing speed.
The potential danger is obvious.[/quote]
This debate started off with the fact that a wheel came off in the pits. Yes, a wheel can loosen in a race, but in practically all cases, the driver has noticed the difference in handling, when a nut loosened, and I cannot remember the last time a wheel flew off without warning (apart from Rosbergs). Because of nuts loosening, it became a requirement to fit a mechanical locking pin. However, with the advent of superfast pit stops, an automatic lock began to be used. THAT is the problem!
If pit stops were subjected to a compulsory minimum time, then it could be ensured that a proper lock was put on the nut. An electronic device (if it was even possible) would bring further complication to the procedure, and electronics are every bit as likely to fail as a mechanical advice. And then, would all other formulae have to follow suit??
Autogyro, we can agree to disagree, but I can see absolutely no way in which a system such as you are suggesting, could work.
Someone likened it to a tyre pressure sensor, but they work on an entirely different principle.

[autogyro]

I see absolutely no problem in designing such a device.
In fact it is no more than systems already in use for sensors.

[xpensive]

I see absolutely no problem in designing such a device.
In fact it is no more than systems already in use for sensors.

For the sake of argument, what would these electronic devices measure, the nut in physical contact with the wheel, tightening-torque, preload, the "lock" in place or what? Please elaborate on this gyro.