After considering the overtaking move of Barrichello to Schumacher on lap 66 of the Hungarian GP, the stewards have found that Schumacher deliberately moved away from his line to block Barrichello, and hence receives a penalty.
You mean its now changed to "Formula(for pussies)One" now ??PNSD wrote:And Rubens will know that.
However things have changed since then.
Its like the argument of team orders in the past. Yes it happened, but now its illegal. What does it matter what happened years ago?
Likewise, with this situation. Such a move hasnt been seen for years, the drivers have a great deal of respect for each other today. Before that really wasnt the case, some liked each other, others didnt. They themselves follow a conduct of saftey and respect. Schumacher was outright dangerous according to that...
I certainly had an appreciation of the danger which to me was part of the pleasure of racing. To me now racing is - the dangers are taken away: if it's difficult, they put in a chicane. So really now the danger is minimal - which is good, because people aren't hurt. But for me the fact that I had danger on my shoulder made it much more exciting. It's rather like if you flirt with a girl, it's more exciting than paying for a prostitute, because while you know you're gonna get it, the other one you don't. And I think with driving a motor car, the danger is a very necessary ingredient. Like if you're cooking, you need salt. You can cook without salt, but it doesn't have the flavour. It's the same with motor racing without danger. For me."
Truer words never spoken.strad wrote:Stirling Moss said:I certainly had an appreciation of the danger which to me was part of the pleasure of racing. To me now racing is - the dangers are taken away: if it's difficult, they put in a chicane. So really now the danger is minimal - which is good, because people aren't hurt. But for me the fact that I had danger on my shoulder made it much more exciting. It's rather like if you flirt with a girl, it's more exciting than paying for a prostitute, because while you know you're gonna get it, the other one you don't. And I think with driving a motor car, the danger is a very necessary ingredient. Like if you're cooking, you need salt. You can cook without salt, but it doesn't have the flavour. It's the same with motor racing without danger. For me."
So you think i am biased??PNSD wrote:Siskue2005 - your avatar is a picture of Schumacher, of course you'd disagree with what I said.
based on my avatar? 
lol yeah, armchair F1 experts are right and real old F1 drivers/experts are wrongmarcush. wrote:come on ...flirting with a girl or paying a prostitute.. what is that old man about? we´re talking dangers in motorsport and the thrill and satisfaction you get out of it .
If you would compare free climbing to traditional rope securing ,I´d understand and it really comes close to what we see in motorsports in terms of risk ,taking chances ,etc.
but that comparison is typical macho nonsense andd he should have kept his mouth shut ,but it seems the old gunners need to have a say for whatever reason...so be it
Fair point.siskue2005 wrote:So you think i am biased??PNSD wrote:Siskue2005 - your avatar is a picture of Schumacher, of course you'd disagree with what I said.
Nice way to not answer my questions!
PNSO. you are quite right. In bygone years, racing was far more dangerous, and there had always been calls to make it safer. This is still an ongoing concern.PNSD wrote:Fair point.siskue2005 wrote:So you think i am biased??PNSD wrote:Siskue2005 - your avatar is a picture of Schumacher, of course you'd disagree with what I said.
Nice way to not answer my questions!
But your question was, "You mean its now changed to "Formula(for pussies)One" now?"
Is that worthy of an answer.
As I said, its not a case of whether it was deeemed dangerous or good to watch back in the day, its how it is viewed upon in todays F1.
It was deemed safe enough to race without helments in the 50's. Without sufficient driver protection. Shall we go back to that?
Things move on, and defending to the standard that Schumacher showed in Hungary has been long gone. Even back then, drivers thought it was dangerous. How many times did Prost complain about it.
Danger is part of the game, but when your battling for 10th, the final point posistion, you dont want to make an overtake move thinking, 'I can either come out of this with a car intact, or a car in the wall'.
Was Schumachers move acceptable? No. Should he have recieved his penalty, yes.
Do you disagree with those points?
The circuit data and analysis is really interesting. yes the circuit was more of twists and turns than original.747heavy wrote:some interesting facts from Brembo in regards to the brakes:
Enjoy:
http://v4.sportnetwork.net/williamsf1/2 ... ungary.pdf
