JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:I cannot help you further I'm afraid. You patently cannot accept that Brawn had the full support and might of Honda for the BGP001(hence their success in 2009), thinking that this must also be true of their 2010 challenger. Somthing so basic is not even up for debate. It is intrinsic truth.
You can't be helped either. You want to find an excuse for this year and that's all you have. Alas, when they had the full support and might of Honda in 2007 and 2008, after they'd started winning in 2006 (and no, they weren't rebuilding) , they sank like a stone - and this is the same technical group who lost absolutely nothing in 2009. Even with Mercedes money in place this year they've went backwards. They might have had less money in 2009 but it should not have put them as far back as they've been this year given how far ahead they were.
Brawn did not have the resources in 2009 that he had in 2008, and any argument to suggest otherwise is fantasy. FANTASY.
You can write that in bold as much as you want but it won't make it the cause of their current predicament. The situation is also nowhere near as bad as what you're trying to paint - Honda ensured the team could continue and the Mercedes deal was in the pipeline a long time in advance. The technical department was ring-fenced and suffered no losses and there was no large-scale change in rules as there was for 2009. Like I said, Red Bull evolved a winning RB5 into the RB6 and did not need 15 months or that amount of money. Brawn simply destroyed what they had.
If anyone is at fault for a lack of funds in 2009 it's that team's total inability to get sponsors on an empty white car that was winning!
Use facts and figures to disprove me, as I have to very openly proved that what you are saying is not true. I even gave you a timescale of events as they happened for christ's sake.
They're irrelevant simply because you want to make their budget the cause of this year. Because it isn't it is worthless us going in that direction. The description of their circumstances as well as how successful they were in the years with a reasonable Honda budget simply destroy the whole budget theory.
Mercedes get it wrong, but how can you be blaming Mercedes for things going wrong when you when you havent even seen what they can fully do?
We have. This is the same fecking team that Honda had and the same team that couldn't secure sponsors when they were winning. The people involved have not changed.
I mean if it takes honda 15 months and 400 million dollars with 700 staff to make the BGP001, does that mean Mercedes can do it in 3 months(november 2009 through to February 2010 tests) with 150 million dollars with 400 staff?
I've take out the bold because it won't make it right I'm afraid. Did you miss the part where I pointed out that no significant rule changes happened that necessitated a team to start early for 2010 as for 2009? Ferrari did but they got 2009 wrong. Now Mercedes are in a worse position than Ferrari were last year. Brawn had a winning and fairly dominant car in 2009 and it was the perfect platform. Again, you're trying to say they needed 15 months yet again to design a car for a stable set of regulations for 2010. This is bollocks.
Red Bull had a similarly dominant car for parts of the season. Red Bull evolved the RB5 right into the RB6. The Brawn team could not do that for Mercedes and the drop-off in performance they've had is massive. The 2010 car was being designed and built long before November 2009 and the 400 staff still contained their unchanged technical team and resources, so that's crap as well. They fired a few administrators, physios and PR people. That's all.
I mean if you cannot see that, then its not that im defending Mercedes, but that you are in fact attacking them.
That's an impressive piece of logic given Mercedes's poor performance this season, and one that can be explained by reverse psychology.
Done debating with you on this.
Whatever. It's simply been a short list of excuses and a list of denials that anything is wrong, or has been wrong, with that team.
