My 2010 Data Thread

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Thanks ESP
for coming back and explaining the way you do things, as always there are different ways to skin a cat. There is not one "perfect" way to do things.
I was just puzzeld, that in your analysis you have some races where nobody is at 0% (the fastest or baseline).
I was curious, how this come about, as what would be the reference in these cases.
Other then this, your approach is very good and valid, and as we see the trends are the same in both analysis.

Thanks again
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I just did some averaging, results can be seen below.(as before HRT performance is the baseline)
In a nutshell it shows what Geoff Willis says in regards to their improvements. (coming from ~6.75%(Bahrain) to ~4.15%(Valencia), average off all teams excluding the new teams, HRT performance is still the baseline)
It´s interesting to note when he made his comments (~July), since then it looks like that they
start to fall back again a bit.
As you say Marcus, it will be interesting to see how things go from here until the end of the year.
It could well be, that if Lotus, Virgin and the other teams continue to bring performance updates, we will see HRT fall behind, and the gap widening again.

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The way i work it out is i take both cars for a team, add up and do some devision by 2 for the ammount of cars each team has. This way i feel i get more accurate data, as say one driver could struggle at one track with the overall package and another flourish, meaning that the package will have more "benifit of the doubt" and thus providing better accuracy.

I know theres not a single-one-size-fits-all approach that is correct, but i feel that the way i work my figures out i get the best overall feel for the best package at any one single race, with Malasia singled out as the only anomoly in the graph to date, and for data collection purposes, id expect to have up to 7% as an acceptable anomoly rate for GPs, so about 2 or 3 GPs shouldnt be taken into concideration as they will asquew the figures to a false posistion.

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ESPImperium wrote:The way i work it out is i take both cars for a team, add up and do some devision by 2 for the ammount of cars each team has. This way i feel i get more accurate data, as say one driver could struggle at one track with the overall package and another flourish, meaning that the package will have more "benifit of the doubt" and thus providing better accuracy.

I know theres not a single-one-size-fits-all approach that is correct, but i feel that the way i work my figures out i get the best overall feel for the best package at any one single race, with Malasia singled out as the only anomoly in the graph to date, and for data collection purposes, id expect to have up to 7% as an acceptable anomoly rate for GPs, so about 2 or 3 GPs shouldnt be taken into concideration as they will asquew the figures to a false posistion.

Thanks again ESP - much appriciated.
Yes, makes sense and is a sensible approach.
I´m still puzzled as why at some races, your best team/car would not show as 0%.
It´s just me, being curious, and want to learn something, it´s not to say that your analysis is wrong.
I can see where you are coming from, and I think it´s a very sensible approach.
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I know, that fastest race lap, don´t mean much, but for what it is worth here a bit of an analysis.

- laptime data are from formula1.com
- taking the best car of each team for the analysis
- reference is the fastest lap at each race
- differences are shown as % slower then fastest lap
- as higher the number as slower was the car in the race

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Maybe I've missed it in your analysis, but aren't the peaks simply related to the importance of downforce? IMO you can easily identify the high downforce tracks (Malaysia, Barcelona, Silverstone, Hungary) by looking at the peaks. For some reason Monaco does not stand out, but Monaco is another type of beast than the rest.

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high down´force +high efficiecy for that.

you could put your best efficiency in an area of low downforce ,as Force India did apparently in 2009 and to a lesser degree in 2010

Mclaren seems to have taken this approach as well a bit more than most of the field.

or you would put your best effieciency in an area of max downforce ....that works very well for REDBull .

On a track like Montecarlo you do not really need thateffieciency aerowise with the lack of sustained high speed and no real overtaking opportunities apart from tunnel exit,the focus there is to maximise mechanical grip.

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some analysis of the lap times during the Belgian GP.
it shows the gap to the leading car, at the duration of the race.
If the line falls (left to right) the gap increases, if the line raises (left to right) the gap becomes smaller. If tp lines cross, it means a change in position.
all timimg data from F1matrix.

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Barichello is not shown, because he did not complete a lap
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Looks like that apart from Button nobody really had the legs to run with Ferrari.
After his stop Button did not have an answer to Alonso´s pace.
I think Alonso had speed in hand if needed.
He pulled a gap from lap 43-49, and then cruised home.

Kubica lost out with his early pitstop big time - at least two places
Barichello and Petrov gained with there late stops, and jumped some people for track position - good strategy.

the new teams struggled for speed, and lost at a high rate for all the race.
Schumacher had a lonely race, and was slower then Rosberg for the whole race
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Nice illistration of the race.

Im gonna get a update ASAP, as we are into the fly away races, and i have tweaked some data, and gotn some nice shiny new stats to share.

If i had the time, and paitence, id input all the fastest times from each session and get the overall, and most accurate performance differencators for each driver and constructor... Maybes something for next years charts, whitch ill start soon on those as i started the 2010 charts before the last GP of 2009 belive it or not.

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Amazing how Vettel was blocked behind the Rosberg train. The moment Rosberg pitted on lap 36 for tyres Vettel was very close to the pace of the leaders. It shows that this is still a shitty formula. They need to do something to reduce drag significantly.
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some updates of the former charts for qualifying and race performance
looks like Lotus and to a lesser extend Virgin closing the gap to the midfield, HRT seems to fall more back again, after gaining some ground in the first part of the European season.

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HRT as baseline qualifying analysis

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new team performance / relative to fastest

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differences in fastest race lap time

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Button was holding Alonso up until the pit stops, he didn't have the pace to pull away from the Ferrari as the graph showed, but I must say he did a pretty good job holding Alonso behind him with a much slower car compared to Alonso. :mrgreen:
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top 8 drivers

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timing data from F1matrix.it
data does not include post race time penalities.

McLaren was nowhere near the pace of Alonsos/Ferrari or Vettels/RBR
RBR was "lucky" that their strategy with Webber worked out, as he spend/lost a lot of time behind Barrichello´s Williams.

Vettel and Alonso seem to be quite evenly matched for pace, but we don´t know how much Alonso would have had up his sleave if need be, he set the fastest lap near the end of the race to responed to Vettels try.
I´m sure he could have gone a bit faster if he needed to.

Sutil seem to hold up quite a few cars behind him for most of the race.

Gap HAM vs. WEB

McLaren may have missed it by 4 Laps, but in any case it was never enough of a gap to jump Webber in the pits.

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Full Singapore update:

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