It appeared on another website, that the f-duct was being removed from Spa. However, it has disappeared from that site, so they must have posted incorrect info. Sorry if I upset you all!ell66 wrote:gilgen wrote:McLaren have announced that they are removing the f-duct, for Spa.segedunum wrote:They don't really have much alternative. They run so little wing at Monza that the drag penalty is minimal. The F-duct is more likely to disrupt things. It'll be interesting to see what rear wing they have for this.
not the havnt! its monza!!
Maybe McLaren feel thet their version of the blown diffuser does not work in harmony with the f-duct, and it is a case of "one or the other". It looks as if they are giving up the struggle to reach the top, and are instead trying different solutions in the hope that they will find the right solution?marcush. wrote:I don´t get that really...the true sense of it is to have a good downforce level + lower drag.
Monza is a lot of breaking from very high speeds...you could use all downforce you can generate to heklp this.
Then there is lesmo curves ,parabolica high speed corners ...were youcould use some downforce...
would not a bit less wing but with F-duct be a very good choice ....of course dragwise you must be in the same league than non f-duct cars with their tiny rear wings...so they just did not wnat to develop this new wing for a single race or what?
It is a big deal to remove it. It's an integral part of the car and they would have needed a different rear wing to cope without it. For other teams that hasn't been so much of a problem since they added it to their cars and had separate rear wings they could develop without the system.ringo wrote:They always could. It was no big deal to remove it...
It obviously is a compromise otherwise they'd be using it at Monza. To be able to run some wing with zero drag penalty would be a huge advantage there, and heaven knows McLaren need it, but they obviously can't achieve it.Some like to believe the F duct has a compromise, but it doesn't.
The only reason I see why the f-duct is'nt being usd there is due to just how flat the rear wings are at monza, i doubt they could even properly fit the thing on there.segedunum wrote:It is a big deal to remove it. It's an integral part of the car and they would have needed a different rear wing to cope without it. For other teams that hasn't been so much of a problem since they added it to their cars and had separate rear wings they could develop without the system.ringo wrote:They always could. It was no big deal to remove it...
The reason why they haven't removed it before was that it would be too much hassle to come up with different bodywork and a different rear wing, minus the F-duct components. Now at Monza the disadvantages obviously heavily outweigh the advantages and the hssle, to the point where they'd be heavily compromised with the system.
It obviously is a compromise otherwise they'd be using it at Monza. To be able to run some wing with zero drag penalty would be a huge advantage there, and heaven knows McLaren need it, but they obviously can't achieve it.Some like to believe the F duct has a compromise, but it doesn't.
Without getting some numbers from McLaren it's difficult to ascertain whether the F-duct really allows them to run wing with no compromise, but this points the fact that there is a compromise.
Like i said, it would be stupid to focus on turns, as then you will be battling the red bull on those sections, you'll lose that without a doubt. So they increase their advantage they have and afaik always had, an straight line advantage, that means they will run as less drag as possible. On Monza there is way more to gain on the straights then in the corners, especially with an red bull that is good in the corners, with an set up wich is more aimed at cornering you will give up alot of time to the red bulls.marcush. wrote:I don´t get that really...the true sense of it is to have a good downforce level + lower drag.
Monza is a lot of breaking from very high speeds...you could use all downforce you can generate to heklp this.
Then there is lesmo curves ,parabolica high speed corners ...were youcould use some downforce...
would not a bit less wing but with F-duct be a very good choice ....of course dragwise you must be in the same league than non f-duct cars with their tiny rear wings...so they just did not wnat to develop this new wing for a single race or what?
I agree, i doubt anyone can use a functional f-duct in monza.raymondu999 wrote:I think what they mean is that the f-duct, at these extremely low angles, doesn't work. And it might not even fit