After rumours had recently increased about a buyout of Brawn GP, Mercedes is now confirmed to have bought 75.1% of Brawn GP shares. The team will consequently be renamed to Mercedes GP and looks set to run world champion Jenson Button and Nico Rosberg in 2010.
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marcush. wrote:exp..one of the undebatable pros of schumacher is his rocksteady layalty towards the team in most difficult circumstances,he neve put blame towards the team .
I have to admit that we have heard some mourning from his side in Canada when the car had crossweights in it in Q ..for the second race in a row...
I know I have Alzheimer, but when did Schumacher find himself struggling for tenth place before this season, ie reason to bitch?
EXP..I have a soft spot for you..as you know. so I will explain:First year Ferrari anyone..the thing was at times not even good enough to complete the formation lap... that was really a heap of s...t and Schumacher
is reported to have had physical pain having to enter that ugly thing for the first time....
He would have had a lot to complain back then.
And we have seen times when Ferari were not winning races for the whole year (us-Farce not counting)..just some xample..
I had that impression already a long time ago that the combination Schumacher/Shovlin is not correct. Maybe I´m wrong, I think Shovlin is a nice guy, he may be good when everything goes on accoring to plan but he seems a bit clueless when the pressure is on and fast decisions need to be taken.
It would not surprise me to see a different guy on Schu´s side next year (maybe even Dyer?)
first year benetton .
you cannot blame him for the field so close now ..in those days you had Mclaren ,williams and Benetton Ferrari...but it was somehow never a fourways battle for the wins.before Ferrari had Schumacher they scored randomly 1 win per season,Benneton after Schumacher the same,Williams were always a contender in the first years but then clearly Mclaren was the team ...So effectively in those years a two ways battle was going on ...and reliability was not a fact...you just cannot compare.
With Benetton in 1992, MS finised 3rd in the standings with one win and eight podiums, 1993 about the same, even with the 1996 Ferrari-brick he won three races and had eight podiums, the man has no xperience of being where he is now.
"I spent most of my money on wine and women...I wasted the rest"
darn.. you are right.. the only season comparable was the debut with 4 points out of 6 races... in 1991..
so maybe he plan s his new career to follow the established pattern..
Regarding Schumacher's remark about the 2010 car being a "survivor" from 2009, which has compromised him and Nico,
I went to check with F1T's database and this is what I could read about the W01;
Xcerpt: The new car is a striking difference from the Brawn BGP01, and for that matter also differs quite substantially from the other 2010 cars.
I don't know who wrote the above, scarbs perhaps, but it doesn't come across as a "2009 survivor", or what does MS mean, am I misunderstanding something here? Moreover, how is the W02 xpected to differ in order not to "compromise"?
"I spent most of my money on wine and women...I wasted the rest"
2005 was an awful season for Schumacher and probably the closest experience he has to running consistently in the midfield. 1991 is not a good example because he only competed in 6 races.
xpensive wrote:Regarding Schumacher's remark about the 2010 car being a "survivor" from 2009, which has compromised him and Nico,
I went to check with F1T's database and this is what I could read about the W01;
Xcerpt: The new car is a striking difference from the Brawn BGP01, and for that matter also differs quite substantially from the other 2010 cars.
I don't know who wrote the above, scarbs perhaps, but it doesn't come across as a "2009 survivor", or what does MS mean, am I misunderstanding something here? Moreover, how is the W02 xpected to differ in order not to "compromise"?
Schumachers legacy statement is more to be understood that Brawn was quite sure to keep Button and the tech department tailored their concept to help him getting the most out of it .
It may as well be a legacy because they carried over the failure to understanding the use of the tyres simply because they had such an advantage early on that it was not really necessary to solve the issues /undertake everything to understand .
this lack of understanding has led (in my view )to them going forward with a fawed concept..but of course ..I could be completely wrong there .
Interesting thought that a team could deliberately "tailor" a car to specific driver needs, wouldn't it be intriguing to learn specifically in which "compromising" way the desires of Button and Barrichello differs from those of MS and Nico's?
Everytime I've heard this argument through the years, it has been used to xcuse some driver's lacklustre performance, one shining xample was when Nico's father made the unfathomable error of judgement to leave Williams for McLaren in 1986, which effectively finished his F1 career. When he was resoundly thrashed by Prost we could hear; "The McLaren is tailored for Prost with xessive understeer".
As Mario Andretti said; "If you can drive you can drive. Period."
"I spent most of my money on wine and women...I wasted the rest"
I think the problem is not you could not setup the car to drive like you want it ...the problem is more were the car needs to be setup wise to be quick .
So with a driver like Button you will have no trouble if your car is marginalon front end grip as he is so gentle and precise on turn in and fully relies on smoothness and early throttle on exit.
Now Schumacher and rosberg are making their time on corner entry braking and turning ,wich is just not possible with an understeering car ,except you start throwing the car into the corner but thats hardly controllable and even less repeatable as much slip angle is slowing you down and kills the tyres.
We´re not talking about 2 seconds of time it´s just that Schumacher cnnot excell with the tool in hand simply because it does not repond .he´s already over the limit even before he really starts to push.
This does explain why the times seem to be more competitive early on (when it is not yet knife edge..)and gets worse as you start to stretch the limits.
xpensive wrote:Interesting thought that a team could deliberately "tailor" a car to specific driver needs, wouldn't it be intriguing to learn specifically in which "compromising" way the desires of Button and Barrichello differs from those of MS and Nico's?
Everytime I've heard this argument through the years, it has been used to xcuse some driver's lacklustre performance, one shining xample was when Nico's father made the unfathomable error of judgement to leave Williams for McLaren in 1986, which effectively finished his F1 career. When he was resoundly thrashed by Prost we could hear; "The McLaren is tailored for Prost with xessive understeer".
As Mario Andretti said; "If you can drive you can drive. Period."
I agree. Tailoring is more to the ergonomics than the actual behavior of the car for a specific driver. Totally diffent than the handling of the car.
James Allen did an interesting article on what building a car around a driver truly is. It's literally building it around him, not so much handicapping the car for him. http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/08/v ... ts-driver/
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-SOtWSG ... r_embedded[/youtube]
The only thing that can trouble either Micheal or Nico, is the tub size, width, and the general feel of the interior; which was probably suited for the taller and lankier Button.
But then again the tub is the biggest problem with the W01 to me.
we had this discussion months ago and it will appear and disappear.
Now tell me how some drivers swap ranking within their teams ..like kubika and Heidfeld ,Berger and Alesi ,Barrichello and Button ..those two even in 2009 after half season.
You would not say it`s a car suiting the style or preferences of one driver more than the other?..for sure Barrichello did not find his speed through better cushions in the tub ...imho.
Of course you can layout the car for a driver.It´s not like theres only one quick ways around a race track.
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An action-packed and exciting Belgian Grand Prix in Spa today saw Mercedes GP drivers Nico Rosberg and Michael Schumacher come home in sixth and seventh places to score valuable points for the team.
The mixed weather conditions benefitted the pair as they stayed out on their dry tyres before switching to intermediates on lap 34 when the heaviest rain shower of the afternoon arrived. With Michael in sixth position and Nico just two places behind, Nico had the better of the re-start under the safety car on lap 41, and made up two places overtaking Michael and Kobayashi.
Nico Rosberg: “My rain set-up finally worked out towards the end there and I made up two places on the re-start. Sixth place today is ok and it really is the most that we could have hoped for from this weekend. Michael and I had a couple of battles out there which was fun. We respect each other and you just have to be careful and it all worked out ok. It was a good recovery today but we really need to continue to try and improve our car to have a stronger end to the season.”
Michael Schumacher: “I am reasonably happy with today’s race, especially for the team. Coming where Nico and I started, I think we can all be pleased with the result, sixth and seventh places from 14th and 21st on the grid is not too bad, and it is important points for the Constructors’ Championship. For some reason, the number seven is somehow connected with me in Spa, so there is a further special feeling here. Without the weather being even crazier, we could not have achieved more today in my view. I ‘met’ Nico twice out on the track today. The first time, I had the better go in a nice racing duel and the second time was right after the re-start where I had to lift a little up into Eau Rouge due to the car in front which Nico used to fly past me. All in all, Spa turned out to be nearly as enjoyable as I had hoped for.”
Ross Brawn: “We are obviously very pleased with the result today, and particularly with our strategy, which enabled us to achieve a strong points finish which looked difficult after qualifying. Nico and Michael both drove extremely well in testing conditions and kept us entertained on the pit wall although sometimes a little too entertained! But it was all done in good spirit and both drivers brought their cars home to give us as good a weekend as we could have hoped for. The result is very pleasing considering the relative performance of the car at the moment and a morale boost for the team.”
Norbert Haug: “Nico, Michael and the team all did a good job today. Starting from 14th position like Nico and coming home in sixth place is very impressive and even more impressive when you start in 21st place like Michael and are in seventh position at the finish line. We adapted to the typical Spa weather circumstances as best we could which was the baseline for scoring points with both cars from very difficult grid positions. It is obvious that we are still lacking speed but this was a much better result than in the previous two races where we didn´t perform as well as we did with Nico´s podium finish at Silverstone. We are now looking forward to Monza which will be a very special race due to the unique high-speed nature of this circuit. Thank you to everybody in the team for the recovery after qualifying yesterday. These points show that never giving up and being measured and focused are always the right things to do.”
