Mercedes GP - Inauguration and 1st season

[segedunum]

It looks like they're going to be a distant fifth in the championship now. They're being completely outstripped in development this year by Renault and everything Renault are putting on their car seems to work.

They want to be careful they don't keep saying they're concentrating on next year and then totally fail to deliver as BMW did.

[segedunum]

It's funny how most engineers are thoroughly confused about how a car can favour a driver. Remember that a driver is the only person who can control when the car gets on the throttle, what angle the car goes into a corner and how early or late he gets on the brakes. Certain characteristics of a car to have a tendency to be able to do certain things ends up favouring one driver or another, depending on what they want to do.

Engineers like to think they are the ones who control how a car goes around a track and that it's all standardised. Not so.

[marcush.]

It's funny how most engineers are thoroughly confused about how a car can favour a driver. Remember that a driver is the only person who can control when the car gets on the throttle, what angle the car goes into a corner and how early or late he gets on the brakes. Certain characteristics of a car to have a tendency to be able to do certain things ends up favouring one driver or another, depending on what they want to do.

Engineers like to think they are the ones who control how a car goes around a track and that it's all standardised. Not so.

+1

you can work around some problem and patch some shortfalls in your package..but for sure all the patch and workaround does not bring speed to Mercedes.so the car simply cannot be tailored to Rosbergs and Schumachers style AND be quick.We don´t know if Button would have been absolutely happy with it.

[xpensive]

Just like non-engineer pundits loves arguments and discussions which cannot be substantiated nor quantified,
listening to Formula One race commentators, from every country actually, can be most entertaining in that respect;

"The xxx engine has less top-end power but more torque"

I guess that the designers begins the development of their new car by interviewing their drivers on their preferences,
while if the W01 had been a winner it would have simply meant a stroke of luck, as it happened to suit MS and NR?

But you never here that, do you?

[strad]

Much of it boils down to a car that a driver can have confidence in. If he has to wonder what's gonna happen when he pushes. How does it feel when he really has to lay on the binders,,,how confident can he be when he just turns in for fast sweepers,,,does it feel like it's gonna turn on him and bite him?
It's as much the confidence level as much as whether it pushes or has oversteer.
Ya gotta be able to trust the car

[zeph]

With all the hating going on here, I wonder what would happen if Alonso were to drive for Mercedes GP

[Morteza]

Rosberg and Alonso / Alonso and Schumacher!!! The latter would be a real fight of the champions But to be honest with you, I can't imagine Alonso's reaction about how W01 performs

I'm really looking forward to see how Mercedes will perform in Monza, now without any penalties for both drivers and Mercedes engine.

[xpensive]

I've been considering Rosbergs bold and surprising overtaking of MS at the end of a race, has anyone heard or read any comments from MGP on that one, when there are obviously no team-orders, you have to give them that?

[marcush.]

I've been considering Rosbergs bold and surprising overtaking of MS at the end of a race, has anyone heard or read any comments from MGP on that one, when there are obviously no team-orders, you have to give them that?

In post race interview on RTL Schumacher was very relaxed about the overtaking
from Rosberg .
He said basically Rosberg was at an advantage with the setup as the conditions got worse due to their different setups but that alone would not have been enough to let him overtake.He said something of one guy in front of him going through Eau roge got a bit out of shape and he had to lift to avois making contact and that gave Nico the run on him ,fair enough ,there was not really anything he could do except not giving too much room ...I´m not sure which car it was a TR?

[Dragonfly]

IMO it was Yamamoto's HR.
He and Hulkenberg had remained in the pack while a lap down.

[xpensive]

@ marcush; Did Schumacher say anything about how he felt when that FI blew past him like if it was a pit-stop?

[marcush.]

@ marcush; Did Schumacher say anything about how he felt when that FI blew past him like if it was a pit-stop?

isn´t it funny that those hacks avoid to come up with the important questions....

but tbh it must have been something similar as it would take forever to get by on the speedifference alone..

[wittgenfrog]

Basically the Mercedes car isn't fast enough.
Schumacher clearly doesn't like its basic characteristics that much, and is finding it a bit hard to adapt.
Rosberg, being more junior, is better attuned to driving the car he's given and making the best of it.
I fully expect the car to go better next year, and I expect Schumacher to be happier with it.
If Ferrari & McLaren can get a bit more testing on the agenda, this will also suit Schumacher and Brawn who are the car developers par excellence.

[segedunum]

Thet Force India overtake was just pure embarrassment. I know FI had probably the best car through Eau Rouge all weekend, but to blast past a car without giving a driver any chance to defend with the same engine is pure embarrassment.

[xpensive]

Perhaps blasting past a desillusioned driver, who didn't bother enough to put up much of a fight?