DDDs were deemed legal, so situation was exactly opposite.Confused_Andy wrote:Same thing happened with Brawn last year, its not sad, its how they deal with situations out of their control.
Those floor tests wont reduce the down-force much! It may reduce it a little, but the redbull still has the best body and suspension combination on the grid.Just_a_fan wrote:I think that, if the FIA's new floor test reduces the RB6's downforce (as it is likely to do) then McLaren must feel quietly confident for the rest of the season. The RB6 has downforce because of some clever work by Newey's team. If the FIA remove much of that downforce then the RB6's inherent lack of top speed is going to hamper it everywhere because they'll need to either crank on more wing (and drag) to get back the cornering advantage (and lose even more top-end speed) or be no quicker in the corners and just as quick (or even slightly slower) on the straights.
With equal performance packages between RB and McLaren, it's likely that RB's only hope is Webber; Vettel won't be competitive in such situations because he'll keep losing his cool.
If the FIA tests equalise the cars' performances then the title is McLaren's to lose.
I think Monza and Brazil are both McLaren tracks in this case with Suzuka and Abu Dhabi being more suited to McLaren than Red Bull too. If the RB6 keeps most of its current medium-speed downforce advantage then it will definitely be too close to call.
Of course, all of this presupposes that Ferrari don't do a repeat of 2007 and slip by to win at last breath whilst everyone is busy watching the McLaren / RB duel...
It should be a great remainder of the season...
That reminds me - I'm going to miss the last race. I'll be on an airplane going on my holidays. Bugger.
Yes, but the Bull has passed ALL tests, so IS legal. Mclaren want to have new tests imposed. But the McLaren front wing was also seen to be flexing, so maybe they ARE trying to copy?timbo wrote:DDDs were deemed legal, so situation was exactly opposite.Confused_Andy wrote:Same thing happened with Brawn last year, its not sad, its how they deal with situations out of their control.
OTOH I don't think new tests would change situation as much.
It's also a shame when McLaren develop a driver controlled fiddle brake system and have it declared illegal after Ferrari complain, and Renault and McL both have mass dampers, again declared illegal after complaints from the team in red.gilgen wrote:Yes, but isn't it sad that when Newey has produced a quick car, that McLaren, in a fit of pique, complain over and over again, to try and have any legal innovation nullified, so as to give them a chance. When they started the year with their "advantage feature", the f-duct, some teams queried it, but when told it was legal, the others went ahead and developed their own versions.Just_a_fan wrote:I think that, if the FIA's new floor test reduces the RB6's downforce (as it is likely to do) then McLaren must feel quietly confident for the rest of the season. The RB6 has downforce because of some clever work by Newey's team. If the FIA remove much of that downforce then the RB6's inherent lack of top speed is going to hamper it everywhere because they'll need to either crank on more wing (and drag) to get back the cornering advantage (and lose even more top-end speed) or be no quicker in the corners and just as quick (or even slightly slower) on the straights.
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That is, in fact wrong, it was not Ferrari who pushed on mass-dampers ban. And, actually McLaren never developed mass-dampers as they had inerters.Boost wrote:again declared illegal after complaints from the team in red.
It is not "clearly illegal". The talk is that every team would have to modify undertray including McLaren.Boost wrote:In the case of the Red Bull the car is clearly illegal as it has visibly flexing aero surfaces which must remain fixed in relation to the chassis, however there is a blind spot in the testing which has allowed Red Bull to get their system through.
Well, the insider who told me this didn't name the team, but he told it was not Ferrari.Boost wrote:So which team complained about the Renault mass damper then? I always remember it as Ferrari as they certainly didn't have one at that time, but then my memory is going these days.
ringo wrote:Those floor tests wont reduce the down-force much! It may reduce it a little, but the redbull still has the best body and suspension combination on the grid.Just_a_fan wrote:I think that, if the FIA's new floor test reduces the RB6's downforce (as it is likely to do) then McLaren must feel quietly confident for the rest of the season. The RB6 has downforce because of some clever work by Newey's team. If the FIA remove much of that downforce then the RB6's inherent lack of top speed is going to hamper it everywhere because they'll need to either crank on more wing (and drag) to get back the cornering advantage (and lose even more top-end speed) or be no quicker in the corners and just as quick (or even slightly slower) on the straights.
With equal performance packages between RB and McLaren, it's likely that RB's only hope is Webber; Vettel won't be competitive in such situations because he'll keep losing his cool.
If the FIA tests equalise the cars' performances then the title is McLaren's to lose.
I think Monza and Brazil are both McLaren tracks in this case with Suzuka and Abu Dhabi being more suited to McLaren than Red Bull too. If the RB6 keeps most of its current medium-speed downforce advantage then it will definitely be too close to call.
Of course, all of this presupposes that Ferrari don't do a repeat of 2007 and slip by to win at last breath whilst everyone is busy watching the McLaren / RB duel...
It should be a great remainder of the season...
That reminds me - I'm going to miss the last race. I'll be on an airplane going on my holidays. Bugger.
When Hamilton said the bull has almost twice the downforce, he could be wrong, but it has to be pretty enormous for him to say something like that.
Anyone say how Vettel was eating Button alive at spa in sector 2?
A little splitter restriction can't evaporate that kind of dominance.
What I am hopeful for though is that the Mclaren EBD seems to have given the car good grip on turn exit. It may also allow the team to maximize the engine's power.
I saw how Button outran Vettel on the up hill sections, and it was pretty amazing.
Aside from the EBD, they need to improve their damping, and also shrink their DDD fairings. The rear end needs cleaning up.