Mercedes GP - Inauguration and 1st season

[wesley123]

Mercedes GP rebranding to AMG-Nissan? And Nissan isnt even owned by Mercedes Benz?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

AMG would never ever put thei name to anything other than a Mercedes-Benz.
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[zeph]

Nissan is full partners with Renault. So maybe Mercedes will use rebranded Renault engines next year

[manchild]

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto ... index.html

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

With all due respect Manchild, the daimler/renault/nissan tie up will have nothing to do with F1. It was not part of the deal.

What may happen is that Nissan pump up a load of cash for Mercedes engine specs, and they will then supply to Red BULL(No this isnt a swear word) under the guise of Nissan under Mercedes auspices circumventing the Mclaren veto.

But Nissan AMG? Not a chance.

[xpensive]

With all due respect Manchild, the daimler/renault/nissan tie up will have nothing to do with F1. It was not part of the deal.

What may happen is that Nissan pump up a load of cash for Mercedes engine specs, and they will then supply to Red BULL(No this isnt a swear word) under the guise of Nissan under Mercedes auspices circumventing the Mclaren veto.

But Nissan AMG? Not a chance.

I beg to differ JET, Manchild's post tells a tale. I find it obvious that by now Daimler is desperate to get out of it's poorly judged attempt as a factory team and return to it's role as engine-supplier only, why RBR must be a very tempting lure.

However, the McLaren veto is an obstacle but could possibly be circumvented by an AMG/Renault/Nissan/RBR deal?

[aral]

With all due respect Manchild, the daimler/renault/nissan tie up will have nothing to do with F1. It was not part of the deal.

What may happen is that Nissan pump up a load of cash for Mercedes engine specs, and they will then supply to Red BULL(No this isnt a swear word) under the guise of Nissan under Mercedes auspices circumventing the Mclaren veto.

But Nissan AMG? Not a chance.

I beg to differ JET, Manchild's post tells a tale. I find it obvious that by now Daimler is desperate to get out of it's poorly judged attempt as a factory team and return to it's role as engine-supplier only, why RBR must be a very tempting lure.

However, the McLaren veto is an obstacle but could possibly be circumvented by an AMG/Renault/Nissan/RBR deal?

The McLaren veto is often referred to, especially by Haug, who, several times has claimed that McLaren have vetoed supply of engines to Red Bull, etc. Yet Dennis and Whitmarsh have also said that McLaren have NEVER used their veto. But I cannot see Nissan entering F1 under ANY guise.

[marcush.]

the renault deal has come about only recently ,which tells us a story of how things can change rather quickly when circumstances are right or bean counters think so.
Not even a year ago there was still to be decided if Smart was going to have a go on the GenII themselves when suddenly the Renault deal was gaining momentum in the crises.
so never say never.
Non winning SilverArrows are a no go ,thats a fact.and it does not look like Brawn could perform a sort of dance to make this miracle happen in the remaining 6 races...
So obviously you got a point there that plan Bs are already on the backburner how to deal with it if 2011 is following 2010 patterns.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Red Bull AMG I can see happening, although Very unlikley.
But I dont see Red Bull AMG nissan.
AMG is exclusively Mercedes, they will not add their name to any other marque. They are Mercedes.

As for Mercedes GP being a mistake, I think that is far too early to conclude.
They occupy 4th position in their first year, Ferrari had that position last year and how long and prestigious have they been in F1. Not forgetting their budget and manpower.

The Daimler/Reanult tie up was all about Mercedes finding a partner to reduce costs on their samller vehicles, in Return Renault/nissan got their hands on Mercedes engines. F1 was never discussed in the tie up, and bringing Nissan to the table in F1 would take alot more than a Parts sharing venture and a team bemoaning(wrongly IMO) their Renault powerplant.

[marcush.]

One has to see that Mercedes has paid a huge price for the original SMART development..remeber it was Swatch they collaborated with and the cars small as they were seemd to be made of lead ..as nobody would buy one.
Mercedes does not see itself as anefficient small car maker that was one of the reasons ,and of course money and timing ,as the current smart is showing its age too much.

As for AMG ..I don´t see that ..the engiens have really nothing input from AMG that badging would not make much sense.

[xpensive]

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F1 was never discussed in the tie up, and bringing Nissan to the table in F1 would take alot more than a Parts sharing venture and a team bemoaning(wrongly IMO) their Renault powerplant.

This is where you are wrong JET, all it takes to bring Nissan to F1 is some Renault engines and new valvecovers,
remember Yamaha (Judd), Subaru (Motori Moderni), Petronas & Acer (Ferrari) and even bloody Mercedes (Ilmor)!

What I learned was that Mercedes is to go back to be engine-supplier for a winning team only, why swapping engines will result in an official RBR-Mercedes and MGP becoming AMG-Nissan with Renaults featuring valvecovers labelled "2800ZX".

[manchild]

F1 is just big corporate business. If they mix up off track, they will mix up on track.

We already have the most idiotic team name ever - "BMW Sauber Ferrari", so I can see no problem for "Mercedes GP Nissan" or something similar.

[xpensive]

The evil that men do.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

xpensive and manchild.
Both of what you are suggesting is speculation. Not fact. I appreciate the view as its plausible, as is man on mars in 2018.

Xpensive, when it hasnt happened how can I be wrong? We already have a bet, you and me.
If you want we can double the odds, this time in EUROS.
Nissan will NOT be badged AMG and nor will they enter the sport in 2011.
Care to raise?

[xpensive]

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F1 was never discussed in the tie up, and bringing Nissan to the table in F1 would take alot more than a Parts sharing venture and a team bemoaning(wrongly IMO) their Renault powerplant.

This is where you are wrong JET, all it takes to bring Nissan to F1 is some Renault engines and new valvecovers,
remember Yamaha (Judd), Subaru (Motori Moderni), Petronas & Acer (Ferrari) and even bloody Mercedes (Ilmor)!

What I learned was that Mercedes is to go back to be engine-supplier for a winning team only, why swapping engines will result in an official RBR-Mercedes and MGP becoming AMG-Nissan with Renaults featuring valvecovers labelled "2800ZX".

Sigh...for as much as I appreciate your posts JET, sometimes I wonder if you even bother to properly read mine?