Italian GP 2010 - Monza

[komninosm]

Anyone here thinks it is partly due to the kerbs being so high? as we can see from the video.. Hamilton didn't really had any place to go and if the kerbs is not that high, maybe he can cut the corner.. just maybe..

All cars are equipped with brake pedals and steering wheels. Running into the back of another racer is the drivers fault. No different than when Vettel lost control and speared Button last race. LH even admitted he was totally to blame. The curbs are built that way to keep the cars on track. You race on the track.

Heh, Hamilton didn't run into the back of Massa, Alonso ran into the back of Button. And Vettel's incident has zero resemblance to Ham vs Massa. Please stick to the facts.

[PlatinumZealot]

Hamilton only needed two inches!

[Pup]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39kbeW2C3-o[/youtube]
HRT right rear wheel mechanic run over during Yamamoto's pit stop.

Yeah, the lolipop went up way too early. The mechanic was an extra, sent in to fix the radio I think. No red helmet, and wearing all black, crouching around a black car. Not smart, HRT; time to rethink those uniforms. I wonder if the lolipop guy was even told that there would be an extra body to keep an eye on?

[raymondu999]

Hamilton only needed two inches!

2 too many I guess?

[Pup]

The Hamilton incident was just close quarters racing, and Hamilton's fault if anyone's. Especially with Massa - he's not known to have a keen sense of the cars around him. Bad luck for Hamilton, that's all.

[timbo]

Hamilton only needed two inches!

Nope. He was on the inside line and therefore wasn't able to turn in as sharp as Massa.
The only way to overtake like this is to be ahead at the first apex and cause other car to wait before the second. Even so, suboptimal exit out of second part of the chicane is guaranteed.

[komninosm]

Not exactly true. He was in Alonso's shadow, and Massa could have braked as well,or simply stick to the outside curb. No car was in his way really.
Going for a non existent gap only happens when the other car is clearly ahead or is guarding the inside.
Massa hit him in the back too before the front wheel, so it was more like Massa ramming his way through. Massa could easily have ridden the curb, but he wanted to eliminate the man that took the 2008 championship from him, he enjoyed it.

Massa said in the post-race he had no idea Lewis was there until he felt the bump, so he did nothing but race and get hit by an over exuberant Hamilton who admitted it was entirely his fault.

I would say that makes it entirely his fault, since both drivers agree.

It's funny how Massa didn't see anything. I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He spent so much time explain his actions as well, which is a sign of guilt.
It's Hamilton's fault for believing Massa would fear him and give room. It's Massa's fault for ramming his depleted uranium battle tank into Hamilton, knowing full well it wont even scratch the paint.
I'd say it's a racing incident, but nowhere near Vettel's recent stupidity.

I thought you said Massa can't see well cause of his accident and sunken eye :p

[Giblet]

It's funny how Massa didn't see anything. I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He spent so much time explain his actions as well, which is a sign of guilt.

He was in an interview, and didn't spend much time Hamilton hitting him at all. no guilt on his face, although it's easier to hide emotion with one dead eyebrow

Massa was navigating a tight corner, hitting his line. You can't do that while looking in the mirror.

Not sure what you think happened to be honest. No driver hits a tire against another driver on purpose ever. It will fail you more often then help you.

[ringo]

I thought you said Massa can't see well cause of his accident and sunken eye :p

I was going to get to that! Come to think of it there's a lot of evidence supporting this theory.

[komninosm]

It's Massa's fault for ramming his depleted uranium battle tank into Hamilton, knowing full well it wont even scratch the paint.

I'd repeat once again, there's no room for two cars in Roggia.
Had Hamilton somehow miraculously made it thru first apex, he'd be in gravel in second.

I think the back of the field managed to fit 2 cats there, no crash.

[andrew]

Massa was minding his own business taking his line which he is entitled to do so. Hamilton got too excited and hit him. End of story, nothing more to say apart from it's just one of those things.

[ringo]

It's funny how Massa didn't see anything. I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He spent so much time explain his actions as well, which is a sign of guilt.

He was in an interview, and didn't spend much time Hamilton hitting him at all. no guilt on his face, although it's easier to hide emotion with one dead eyebrow

Massa was navigating a tight corner, hitting his line. You can't do that while looking in the mirror.

Not sure what you think happened to be honest. No driver hits a tire against another driver on purpose ever. It will fail you more often then help you.

It's not the first time Massa did this to Lewis though. It's purely a racing incident, but could have went a little better with Massa not diving over guarding Alonso's tail. I'm not blaming him more than Hamilton, but i still suspect him of not really caring much whether he contacted Lewis.
If you look to Massa's right, the ideal thing for him to do was to ride the curbs and get a chance to run down Alonso. However he's not there to win, he's there to act as a body guard.

[komninosm]

Hamilton only needed two inches!

Nope. He was on the inside line and therefore wasn't able to turn in as sharp as Massa.
The only way to overtake like this is to be ahead at the first apex and cause other car to wait before the second. Even so, suboptimal exit out of second part of the chicane is guaranteed.

That's pretty much what Alonso was doing to Massa in that corner, but Massa settled behind him instead of pushing.
If you look carefully, Hamilton's wheel hits the side of the Ferrari and a bit of the tire [some wear instantly appears on Ham's tire), then Hamilton goes a bit slower than Massa and the tires collide again strongly and suspension breaks. This happens very quickly. So it may have been only a few inches, if Hamilton had gone a bit faster and semi-skid to the outside of the corner, perhaps, they wouldn't have collided there, but probably at corner exit they would, or Ham would be forced out of track there.

[Pup]

Massa never has a clue what's going on behind him, or next to him, and often in front of him. But we all know that, and the drivers certainly know that, so Hamilton was well aware of the risk he was taking. Racing incident, bad luck, Massa is a crappy racer, blah, blah, blah. It's just up to Hamilton to pull back in the lead now, so that he can blow it at the last race per tradition.

[timbo]

It's Massa's fault for ramming his depleted uranium battle tank into Hamilton, knowing full well it wont even scratch the paint.

I'd repeat once again, there's no room for two cars in Roggia.
Had Hamilton somehow miraculously made it thru first apex, he'd be in gravel in second.

I think the back of the field managed to fit 2 cats there, no crash.

I have to watch replay, but have you seen Schu's attack on Webber?
Schu was exactly where Hamilton was and he had to back off, and as you know Schu is not the one to back-off first usually.