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Pandamasque wrote:That would help to make cars more attractive for the fans without changing much technically. Let's call it beautification.

Talking of which.
I loved the last comment of that article: "you can polish a turd to make it shiny, but its still a turd..."

:lol:

If Grand Am cant expense, cant they buy or adapt some carbon fiber chasis from another series? I mean... problems with "the bubble" because of the roll cage? Come on!!!
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Was thinking about my concept a bit more (from the previous page): it would be pretty easy to do if the AcO mandated a Spec survival cell incorporating a spec front crash struture and underfloor. The teams/manufaturer's add their own rear subframe, suspension, bodywork and drive-train.

The cars would look cool...
Their would be no requirement for all teams to individually crash test them......
Development/performance diffentiators would be more road-relevent...


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Mulsanne's Corner pointed out that one of attendees of the meeting listed is Renault F1 team, with F1 going through cost cutting would love to see a side project in LMP categories.

Quick question about the fins, do you have to run along the centre line of the car? For instance can a open top LMP run the fin from its roll over structure, or could an open LMP possibley run 2 fins one from each roll over structure.

What are everyone's opinions on Mulsanne's Corner? I've been a fan for years.

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machin wrote:Was thinking about my concept a bit more...
I like that idea. That front 'bumper' should be moved back a little, otherwise the front overhang would be too long (or too steep).
creedbratton wrote:Quick question about the fins, do you have to run along the centre line of the car? For instance can a open top LMP run the fin from its roll over structure, or could an open LMP possibley run 2 fins one from each roll over structure.
I'd like to know that too. 2 fins each on its side (a la 917) would look ace!
creedbratton wrote:What are everyone's opinions on Mulsanne's Corner? I've been a fan for years.
Sometimes I can't agree with Mike's personal opinions (and frankly rants), but the service he provides is quite unique and very valuable.

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uh no... The fin looks horrible in this situation, I kind of like it on F1 cars, but bleugh!
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Heard that Audi is gonna show off their new 2011 Le Mans racer today friday 10. dec.

So perhaps we are allready going to see the first 2011 racer today ....

Its going to be called R18 and be a fully closed cockpit.

But thats just a rumor .....

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It indeed will be launched today, I really hope it will be an similair car as the 2009 R15, that car was just incredible how it pushed the rules to he limit, that car had way too much downforce that it was really hurting the tires which werent build for those amounts of downforce.
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WhiteBlue wrote:Sure. If you look at the F1 KERS you find that the electric motors can only be activated by a push button. A dual torque system would feed the power permanently from both sources, from the engine and from the battery and electric motor whenever the trottle pedal is pushed. The rate of electric torque would obviously depend of the actual stored amount of energy at a given moment. So the pedal activates two torque sources, hence dual torque.

It would be similar with braking. The generators would take torque from the wheels as the brakes dissipate energy. So the braking pedal will also apply two sources of negative torque to the wheels.

Obviously the way this is done must be by a common technology strictly controlled by the SECU or you would have traction control and ABS through the back door. The competitive advantage in dual torque systems would be the weight of the system versus the amount of energy that can be harvested. If you compare an all wheel KERS (AWKERS) system having two motor/generators with a conventional rear wheel system you need to increase the stored energy at least at the same rate as the additional weight of the system grows. If you achieve that you would have traction advantages and you would be saving fuel which would not bog the car down at the start.
That does make a lot more sense than the artificial "push to pass" bs currently proposed for F1!
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wesley123 wrote:It indeed will be launched today, I really hope it will be an similair car as the 2009 R15, that car was just incredible how it pushed the rules to he limit, that car had way too much downforce that it was really hurting the tires which werent build for those amounts of downforce.

Do you know what time it will be reveled??? Because now im just getting impatient ....

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Audi R18:

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Some great details in there, I think it looks amazing.

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On one hand it's deisgn is amazing, on the other hand it seems really draggy and ugly.
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"In the future, aerodynamic efficiency will be even more important at Le Mans than it was in the past,” says Head of Audi Motorsport Dr. Wolfgang Ullrich. "A closed car has clear advantages in this respect. Our computer simulations have been confirmed in the wind tunnel and during initial track tests.”

Unlike those of the closed Le Mans prototypes, the carbon fiber monocoque of the R18 does not consist of two halves but features a single-component design. This saves weight and increases stiffness.

3.7 TDI V6 confirmed, no word on KERS yet unless I'm mistaken.

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Yikes, that thing looks like the frigging Batmobile in black. Any word on power output from the new engine?

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Clever integration of the swan's neck RW center support on the R18. Compare to Peugeot 90X more complex solution:

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Audi have unveiled their 2011 Le Mans contender. It's a closed cockpit chassis powered by a 3.7l V6 diesel. Here's the press release:

For the first time since 1999, Audi will contest Le Mans with a closed coupe again. "In the future, aerodynamic efficiency will be even more important at Le Mans than it was in the past,” says Head of Audi Motorsport Dr. Wolfgang Ullrich. "A closed car has clear advantages in this respect. Our computer simulations have been confirmed in the wind tunnel and during initial track tests.”

By opting for a 3.7-liter V6 TDI unit, Audi retains the diesel concept that saw its first victorious fielding in 2006. "From our point of view, the TDI continues to be the most efficient technology,” says Ulrich Baretzky, Head of Engine Development at Audi Sport. "There are good reasons why the share of TDI units among Audi’s production models is as high as it is.”

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For the development of the closed R18, engineers at Audi Sport were able to draw on the experiences gained in 1999 with the R8C and in 2003 with the LMP1 of the corporate "sister brand” Bentley that was victorious at Le Mans. "Also the Audi A4 DTM, which for example, features a heated windshield, allowed us to shorten the development cycle with respect to the ventilation of the cockpit, the doors and the heating of the windshield,” explains Dr. Martin Mühlmeier, Head of Engineering at Audi Sport.

The development of the new Audi R18 started in mid 2009. The V6 TDI engine has been running on the dynamometers since the summer of 2010. The R18, with Allan McNish at the wheel, completed its first test on a racetrack at the end of November. The racing debut of the Audi R18 is planned for the Spa-Francorchamps (Belgium) 6 Hours on May 8. Prior to the event, the new prototype will be able to do its first laps on the race track at Le Mans during the official test day on April 24 and gather important data for the race on June 11 and 12.

Audi is planning to field three Audi R18 cars at Le Mans. In addition, Audi Sport Team Joest will contest the Intercontinental Le Mans Cup (ILMC), consisting of a total of seven endurance races on three continents (including the Le Mans 24 Hours) with two cars. At the opening race at Sebring on March 19, the team will use two "R15 plus plus” cars. "Sending the R18 into a race at such an early point in time would be difficult in terms of logistics and interfere with our development program,” explains Head of Audi Motorsport Dr. Wolfgang Ullrich.