Red Bull RB6

[dren]

Indeed all the way to .. was it 2005 when Ferrari were caught with a spring loaded flexing tea tray and had to re-engineer it for the season. From that experience I believe it was found that all teams had the right to build a tray that was spring loaded for impact flexing and just about everyone was at that time. Elsewise ask yourself .. why does a tea tray never break even in off track adventures ...???

I don't quite get what you're saying here. If Ferrari were forced to re-engineer their bib because it was spring loaded, how can that be justification for others to start to spring load theirs? I'm sure it's me being dense, so please spell it out for me a little?

As BreezyRacer answered all the things i was about to answer

The spring loaded tea try was allowed from 2004 to 2007 and was used by infact all the teams. this was allowed coz on impact no one wanted their cars to brake and FIA agreed.....but why it was banned coz Stepheny tipped Mclaren about the tray doing illegal things like bending upwards while on smooth track and in the process lowering the FWing with the whole car.
That is what the ferrrari car did and thats why FIA furthur banned the spring loaded trays

So the concept here is that FIA allows teams to have their tea tray flex ON IMPACT with kerbs and huge bumps

so its perfectly fine if ur tea tray flex on a kerb, but if it flexed otherwise then its illegal

That Ferrari's bib acted as a mass damper when it flexed over curbs, similar to the banned mass damper inside the Renault.

[siskue2005]

So the concept here is that FIA allows teams to have their tea tray flex ON IMPACT with kerbs and huge bumps

so its perfectly fine if ur tea tray flex on a kerb, but if it flexed otherwise then its illegal

I wasn't aware of that, but if flexing is allowed, whether that is flexing because of a kerb or otherwise then why do the FIA perform a flex test upon it? (albeit one which the RB6 has managed to pass).

coz they dont want the tea tray to flex under aero load, thats why they have the test.
they dont want a small amount of force causing a flex (aero load)
they are ok with a large impact on the bib causing flex (kerb impact)

[siskue2005]

As BreezyRacer answered all the things i was about to answer

The spring loaded tea try was allowed from 2004 to 2007 and was used by infact all the teams. this was allowed coz on impact no one wanted their cars to brake and FIA agreed.....but why it was banned coz Stepheny tipped Mclaren about the tray doing illegal things like bending upwards while on smooth track and in the process lowering the FWing with the whole car.
That is what the ferrrari car did and thats why FIA furthur banned the spring loaded trays

So the concept here is that FIA allows teams to have their tea tray flex ON IMPACT with kerbs and huge bumps

so its perfectly fine if ur tea tray flex on a kerb, but if it flexed otherwise then its illegal

That Ferrari's bib acted as a mass damper when it flexed over curbs, similar to the banned mass damper inside the Renault.

AFAIK the ferrari bib was not a mass damper, btw how can a bib turn to mass damper? could u provide some article if at all it behaved as a mass damper?
the ferrari bib did flex under aero load and was stalling the diffusor at high speeds, and also lowering the fwing ...this is what it did.

[747heavy]

how can the bib stay (by itself) lower the front wing?

the BiB stay in itself was not a mass damper, but there are suggestions, that
the springs in the bib stay together with the ballast on the splitter, turned the
whole splitter into a kind of TMD - which is (at least technical) quite possible.

McLaren contended that the Ferrari that won was illegal, and a letter from Stepney to the FIA sent after the hearing revealed that it may well have been, as it was in effect a mass damper. Such devices were banned last season as they were controversially deemed to be a moveable aerodynamic device.
Stepney reveals in detail the exact workings of the floor that was used at the race: 'The front floor is attached to the chassis via a mechanical hinge system at its most rearward point. The most forward support is a body with one compression spring and one tension spring inside which can be adjusted according to the amount of mass that is fitted to the front floor. There is also a skirt that seals the floor to the chassis, which is made out of rubber and Kevlar to help flexibility and reduce friction in the system.
'If the system had been allowed it could have meant a huge cost of development for other teams in such areas as chassis and under trays etc to make way for the provision for storing the system and the variable quantity of mass. The possible long-term consequences of such a system would be quite substantial because the system is in a crude state of development.'

some articles along these lines:

http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/753/
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/arti ... f2007.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A28655841

[PaulB]

Very good article on scarbsf1.wordpress.com!

[gibells]

Very good article on scarbsf1.wordpress.com!

I'd like the hear Stephney's take on the RB6's splitter. Seems just like a development of the work done in 2007.

[aral]

Very good article on scarbsf1.wordpress.com!

I'd like the hear Stephney's take on the RB6's splitter. Seems just like a development of the work done in 2007.

What happened a couple of years ago is irrelevant. The rules currently require the bib strut to be rigid, and this is tested at scruitineering.

[siskue2005]

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I'd like the hear Stephney's take on the RB6's splitter. Seems just like a development of the work done in 2007.

What happened a couple of years ago is irrelevant. The rules currently require the bib strut to be rigid, and this is tested at scruitineering.

No, the rules doesnot require the bib strut to be rigid. but it prohibits any spring loaded struts ...which doesnot mean it should be rigid.

The new rules only require the strut to move a maximum of 5 mm under 200 KG force from below!

[siskue2005]

and if i am not mistaken Mclaren ran without any strut structure at the front of the bib, at Monza

[ecapox]

And here you have it. Straight from their mouths.

Q. (Frederic Ferret - L'Equipe): The Red Bulls seem quickest in qualifying, so for the two Red Bull drivers can you explain why it is so fast and do you think you will have the pole on Saturday? For the three others, do you think you can beat them and do you have a special thing to beat them on Saturday?

Mark Webber: Well, obviously Seb has had a good run in qualifying. He has had a few pole positions and I have had some poles as well. As you say the car is pretty quick on Saturday afternoon. We have adjustable front ride height suspension which has been running since the start of the year and that works well and then we put the car back up for Sunday. Lots of things have been good for us and we try to do the same job on Saturday.

Sebastian Vettel: As Mark said we have this big lever for the ride height. I think that is the secret for Saturday.

[Carlo's]

They were only joking.

[Vasco]

And here you have it. Straight from their mouths.

Q. (Frederic Ferret - L'Equipe): The Red Bulls seem quickest in qualifying, so for the two Red Bull drivers can you explain why it is so fast and do you think you will have the pole on Saturday? For the three others, do you think you can beat them and do you have a special thing to beat them on Saturday?

Mark Webber: Well, obviously Seb has had a good run in qualifying. He has had a few pole positions and I have had some poles as well. As you say the car is pretty quick on Saturday afternoon. We have adjustable front ride height suspension which has been running since the start of the year and that works well and then we put the car back up for Sunday. Lots of things have been good for us and we try to do the same job on Saturday.

Sebastian Vettel: As Mark said we have this big lever for the ride height. I think that is the secret for Saturday.

They were just messing and joking around...

[forty-two]

And here you have it. Straight from their mouths.

Q. (Frederic Ferret - L'Equipe): The Red Bulls seem quickest in qualifying, so for the two Red Bull drivers can you explain why it is so fast and do you think you will have the pole on Saturday? For the three others, do you think you can beat them and do you have a special thing to beat them on Saturday?

Mark Webber: Well, obviously Seb has had a good run in qualifying. He has had a few pole positions and I have had some poles as well. As you say the car is pretty quick on Saturday afternoon. We have adjustable front ride height suspension which has been running since the start of the year and that works well and then we put the car back up for Sunday. Lots of things have been good for us and we try to do the same job on Saturday.

Sebastian Vettel: As Mark said we have this big lever for the ride height. I think that is the secret for Saturday.

I assume you're taking the Michael with the above?

If not, source?

[Morteza]

And here you have it. Straight from their mouths.

Q. (Frederic Ferret - L'Equipe): The Red Bulls seem quickest in qualifying, so for the two Red Bull drivers can you explain why it is so fast and do you think you will have the pole on Saturday? For the three others, do you think you can beat them and do you have a special thing to beat them on Saturday?

Mark Webber: Well, obviously Seb has had a good run in qualifying. He has had a few pole positions and I have had some poles as well. As you say the car is pretty quick on Saturday afternoon. We have adjustable front ride height suspension which has been running since the start of the year and that works well and then we put the car back up for Sunday. Lots of things have been good for us and we try to do the same job on Saturday.

Sebastian Vettel: As Mark said we have this big lever for the ride height. I think that is the secret for Saturday.

I assume you're taking the Michael with the above?

If not, source?

That's from FIA Thursday press conference. You can find it here :
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 11403.html

[forty-two]

Thanks Morteza AMG!

I guess the trouble with the written word is the lack of facial expressions etc. with which to convey meaning and inflection.