Korean GP 2010 - Yeongam

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I have a question regarding the track surface. As you all know, it's been speculated that the surface will not offer alot of grip. Now, does this mean mechanical grip becomes even more important? (i.e. it will benefit those with good mechanical grip)

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Gerhard Berger wrote:I have a question regarding the track surface. As you all know, it's been speculated that the surface will not offer alot of grip. Now, does this mean mechanical grip becomes even more important? (i.e. it will benefit those with good mechanical grip)
I think areo grip will be key if the cars will struggle for traction.
ESPImperium wrote:I was doing some "blue sky" thinking and was kind of thinking that if theres gonna be less grip in Korea, could some drivers (more like one) take a total stab in the dark and go with Inters for the first stint, then posibly go with the option tyre???

Could wet weather tyres be they way to go???
Would they last long enough to make any difference?

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ESPImperium wrote:I was doing some "blue sky" thinking and was kind of thinking that if theres gonna be less grip in Korea, could some drivers (more like one) take a total stab in the dark and go with Inters for the first stint, then posibly go with the option tyre???

Could wet weather tyres be they way to go???
I really dont think so.

The straights will put enough heat into the tyres... I am thinking it will be more of a Monaco type grip level. After qualifying the track will be pretty grippy, hell even after FP2 the track should be fairly grippy imo.

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andrew wrote:
Gerhard Berger wrote:I have a question regarding the track surface. As you all know, it's been speculated that the surface will not offer alot of grip. Now, does this mean mechanical grip becomes even more important? (i.e. it will benefit those with good mechanical grip)
I think areo grip will be key if the cars will struggle for traction.
Thanks. I was thiking along the same lines, but then i was reading this review of the 1996 French GP:

http://www.grandprix.com/gpe/rr590.html

In particular, this quote confused me a little:

"Magny-Cours is a curious racing circuit in that it is very smooth and offers little grip. Cars with good horsepower and good mechanical grip do well - if the two elements are balanced. Aerodynamics are not as critical as at other tracks."

Are they correct?

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You should know Gerhard... You got a podium there back in 93 or 94 with Ferrari :P
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Good news on the weather

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After reading the above replies, im thinking that they will start off running Monaco levels of aero, but will eventually settle for a setup that is more like Hungary Hungary but will eventually settle on something simmilar to Brazil, a setup that is good in the slow speed, but has good top end speed that isnt too compromised.

F-Ducts will be important for the top end speed, but good natural grip will also be Key, leaving Sector 1 McLaren, Sector 2 being 50/50 McLaren/Red Bull and Sector 3 being Red Bull. Im thinking advantage Ferarri as the F10 hasnt got a fully optomised F-Duct, and dosnt have outstanding natural grip, so will be able to make better compromises.

However, id expect the Renault of Kubica and the Mercedes to play a part, not to mention Kamacazee (Kobiyashai) and probably the Williams, especially Hulkenberg if his seat is up for grabs, a F1 drive under threat always speeds a driver up. Of the mid feild cars, a STR should make its way into the points, and either Sutil and Liuzzi as well for FI.

However, if grip levels are on a tight 2-3M wide patch on the track, no matter where the cars are, im thinking its gonna be like a wet race in those respects, fall off the "dry" patch, youre gonna loose time, or end up in the wall/gravel/cabbage... Whatever. Moreover, if it is a race where stamina is key, im thinking theres a fluke result on the way, im thinking in the form of a Lotus or a Virgin to end up in the points, or closer than before, posibly P11.

This race, i cannot read. One thing im sure of, is that its gonna be one hell of a race and im expecting P1 times in FP1 to be up to 4 seconds slower than P1 times in Q2 or Q3.

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Sector 3 only has one fast turn, which is the one after the double apex left hander. The last high speed turn after the left kink that leads to the straight will be flat out for all cars. Therefore I don't see how Red Bull has an advantage through sector 3 as it's mostly turns that are slower than 160kph.

Sector two starts after a hairpin, and it consists of a fast flat out right hander, into a fast left sweeper, the only turn that Red Bull has an advantage at as the turns are done at over 200kph, then another high speed left which is kind of like Mobil 1 kurve in Hockenheim(except it goes left, also Ferrari had the highest apex speed at this turn), which leads into heavy braking for that double apex left.
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so many "I think" posts here... :)
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I thought Rosberg let his hair grow for a second
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Yeah that's Rosberg. Even has his petronas headphones on.
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Regarding Mark Webber vs Seb Vettel in Korea:

Mark can have a really bad day in just three days if Alonso and Hamilton are more competitive than in Suzuka, which is likely. Most bookies see him coming third in the race. I expect qualifying and race to be dry and the track conditions to change gradually. Mark's weakness to do a top qualifying job may well hurt him in that particular race weekend.
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WhiteBlue wrote:Regarding Mark Webber vs Seb Vettel in Korea:

Mark can have a really bad day in just three days if Alonso and Hamilton are more competitive than in Suzuka, which is likely. Most bookies see him coming third in the race. I expect qualifying and race to be dry and the track conditions to change gradually. Mark's weakness to do a top qualifying job may well hurt him in that particular race weekend.
C'mon WB, most of the time Seb has only beaten Mark by a few 100th's of a Second while the gap behind to the others is measured in 10th's of a second!

We are talking millimeters and Mark has never been considered a weak qualifier, in fact it was what enabled him to destroy all previous team mates - Seb is Marks 1st team mate who is at least as fast if not faster in qually trim.
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djos wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote:Regarding Mark Webber vs Seb Vettel in Korea:

Mark can have a really bad day in just three days if Alonso and Hamilton are more competitive than in Suzuka, which is likely. Most bookies see him coming third in the race. I expect qualifying and race to be dry and the track conditions to change gradually. Mark's weakness to do a top qualifying job may well hurt him in that particular race weekend.
C'mon WB, most of the time Seb has only beaten Mark by a few 100th's of a Second while the gap behind to the others is measured in 10th's of a second!

We are talking millimeters and Mark has never been considered a weak qualifier, in fact it was what enabled him to destroy all previous team mates - Seb is Marks 1st team mate who is at least as fast if not faster in qually trim.
A liberal view of the facts. In 2005 Mark was easily beaten by Nick Heidfeld at Williams for the first 14 races they contested. Then Nick had to stop the season due to a bike accident. Mark wasn't destroying anybody that season unless you count the Pizza boy.

And your claim of a few 100th's is not supportable. The average dry qualifying time difference without even considering damaged cars was 0.15 s. That is as clear as it can get.
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