Ideas on 2011 Formula One innovations

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Who is going to bring the unexpected innovation next year?

Redbull
16
17%
Mclaren
24
26%
Ferrari
8
9%
Mercedes
24
26%
Renault
11
12%
Williams
4
4%
Force India
1
1%
Sauber
3
3%
Other
3
3%
 
Total votes: 94

scarbs
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Tim.Wright wrote:Haha, very cool. Technically it not active either because its not adding any energy to the system. They could have disguised it as an inerta too. Or not.

Tim
I agree, this would fit in with the wording "The suspension system must be so arranged that its response results only from changes in load applied to the wheels".

xpensive
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I think MrE's old spannerman's inability in stopping the deflection game is the key here, I'm afraid we might see something unimaginable in terms of flexible bodywork in 2011. When people like Mike Gascoyne gets the hang of it, watch out.
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marcush.
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to me this deflectiongame has reached the tub intentionally with RedBull this year already.(The sausage Mercedes produced was unintentional,I´d guess. :roll: )
Maybe I´m too naive there but I would think Newey has at least something along these lines in the book for the seasons to come.

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Tim.Wright wrote:Megnetorehologial dampers are quite common in high end sports cars. The magnetic reaction in the dampers only changes the damping rate. It cant do anything to the preload and therefore the ride height

Tim
I was thinking more along the lines of pulling the whole dampner, not just the fluid inside it. ferrofluid inside of a high volume with electromagnet above (but no atached to the dampner unit) on a pull rod system. have a diagram of the idea (in pricipal) how do you get pics on here?

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scarbs wrote: I agree, this would fit in with the wording "The suspension system must be so arranged that its response results only from changes in load applied to the wheels".
The FIA's interpretation of its own rules defies logic. Consider, for example, the "g-sensitive" damper. This has been used in various race series since 1999 to my certain knowledge. It incorporates a mechanical mass restrained by a spring arranged to close off a large part of the rebound flow control port when the vehicle is decelerating at greater than, say, 2gn & it is used as a rear 3rd damper to slow down the rate of increase in rear ride height under braking. It acts to improve braking "stability" whilst not interfering with suspension function elsewhere. It is simple, effective, & it works. It doesn't cause the suspension to react to anything other than "changes in load applied to the wheels", & yet it has been declared illegal in F1 (uniquely, I believe).

Logically, its ban implies that all dampers should be declared illegal because, for example, temperature changes also affect the way dampers respond to "changes in load applied to the wheels".

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Jeje, in one of the local series I know, the rules states: "everything that is not explicitly allowed, is prohibited..."

That gives the governing body the power to ban anything other then whats considered "usual" that would help a car go way faster its rivals.

It is weel understood that the governing body is handling a bussiness here and not a sport: anything that makes the show boring will be baned :lol:

Still, I wake up every morning wishing I came up with something that would make rivals look slow and technical stewards scratch thei heads :lol:
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scarbs
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DaveW wrote:
scarbs wrote: I agree, this would fit in with the wording "The suspension system must be so arranged that its response results only from changes in load applied to the wheels".
The FIA's interpretation of its own rules defies logic. Consider, for example, the "g-sensitive" damper. This has been used in various race series since 1999 to my certain knowledge. It incorporates a mechanical mass restrained by a spring arranged to close off a large part of the rebound flow control port when the vehicle is decelerating at greater than, say, 2gn & it is used as a rear 3rd damper to slow down the rate of increase in rear ride height under braking. It acts to improve braking "stability" whilst not interfering with suspension function elsewhere. It is simple, effective, & it works. It doesn't cause the suspension to react to anything other than "changes in load applied to the wheels", & yet it has been declared illegal in F1 (uniquely, I believe).

Logically, its ban implies that all dampers should be declared illegal because, for example, temperature changes also affect the way dampers respond to "changes in load applied to the wheels".
Yes the "G" damper is cetainly an unsung hero, I was told it came to F1 via indycar. While F1 was going all active, over the pond they found a simpler mechanical solution.

imightbewrong
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What loophole caused these slots to be legal? Was it the same loophole as the double diffuser? If not, can they use it to place slots behind the exhaust to get an exhaust slot into the diffuser?
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How about something like this?
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747heavy
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maybe this could be the next generation F-Duct
Its “fluidic flight control” system consists of an auxiliary power unit that supplies compressed air to a series of circulation control devices, located in the wings. These release the compressed air from slots along the top and bottom trailing edges of both wings, creating a “blade of air” immediately behind them.
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747heavy
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Don´t like your driver, or think he is overpaid?
Maybe then you like to mind about this. :P

all in good fun and spirit, it´s a technical site after all.
"Make the suspension adjustable and they will adjust it wrong ......
look what they can do to a carburetor in just a few moments of stupidity with a screwdriver."
- Colin Chapman

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spinmastermic
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747heavy wrote:Don´t like your driver, or think he is overpaid?
Maybe then you like to mind about this. :P

all in good fun and spirit, it´s a technical site after all.
I always suspected Honda would use ASIMO as an F1 test driver. But we'll never know......

conni
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[quote="gridwalker"]Alas the blade is banned, to be replaced with a traditional roll hoop, though this is not to say that the airbox inlets still can't be moved away from the conventional position like they did for 2010, freeing up the flow through the hoop to the rear wing.

i know of at least 2 teams using the blade this year

conni

gridwalker
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Really? I have seen many discussions where teams, journalists and armchair racers have been advocating for it to be banned, along with a few articles that stated it already had been banned through a FOTA agreement ... I've just taken a few minutes to try and find some kind of confirmation one way or another, but haven't got enough time to go digging for sources.

Still, I'll take your word for it and hope for something interesting to appear next season :)
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conni
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i too will ask around just incase im mistaken

conni

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raymondu999
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Why was the sharkfin connecting to the RW banned? If there was no channel for an f-duct or anything like that shouldn't it just have been legal?
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