Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

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I would like to see this, if it can be policed:

A fuel allowance, say 80-100L per race, a max power output and/or engine capacity, and a budget cap say of $150m/year and let the innovators go to town.

On the chassis front they can keep the ban on movable aero parts etc and the basic dimensions of the cars, ban on driver aiding electronics etc

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godlameroso wrote:Does wake affect air travelling underneath the car as well?
It does. More in the form of mass flow variations (bad for GE).

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I think I'm glad for this part of the new rules.
I have often said the kurbs should be such that they discourage hopping them. That they should have to race within the track as defined and not be allowed to drive in such a way as to reconfigure the track.
"Maneuvers liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted," the new rules state. The regulations also said that drivers benefiting from leaving the track could face penalties.

"Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt, the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the curbs are not. A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.

"Should a car leave the track for any reason the driver may rejoin. However, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any advantage."

To achieve anything, you must be prepared to dabble on the boundary of disaster.”
Sir Stirling Moss

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An awesome explanation of the rule changes by scarbs:
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/12/1 ... explained/

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Do you think if ground effect returns, the cars will keep the 'coke bottle' shape?

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Blackout wrote:Do you think if ground effect returns, the cars will keep the 'coke bottle' shape?
I think that will be unlikely. Presumably they will scrap the stepped bottom rule and allow tunnels for 80% of the downforce. The side pots are supposed to come more forward to generate front downforce and protect the driver. There will also be a mandatory chassis section to enable front wheel KERS.

With the tunnel diffusor between the gearbox and the wheels they need more height than they have now. This should effectively finish the coke bottle design. At least that is my interpretation. Perhaps there are other opinions.
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WhiteBlue wrote:
Pingguest wrote:What solution do you propose, WB?
The solution is simple. Limit downforce to 1.25 tons or even less and produce it mainly from the floor. Use small and flat wings like the Monza spec for stability and fine tuning only.
Do you merely propose a downforce limit or do you (a) downforce limit(s) at specific speed(s)? With a downforce limit only, teams would still use aerodynamic packages differing from circuit to circuit.

Let me make myself clear with the following. At Monza the downforce limit will be reached at a far higher top speed than in, for example, Monaco. Therefore teams would race with relatively more downforce and drag in Monaco than on Monza.

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Pingguest wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote:
Pingguest wrote:What solution do you propose, WB?
The solution is simple. Limit downforce to 1.25 tons or even less and produce it mainly from the floor. Use small and flat wings like the Monza spec for stability and fine tuning only.
Do you merely propose a downforce limit or do you (a) downforce limit(s) at specific speed(s)? With a downforce limit only, teams would still use aerodynamic packages differing from circuit to circuit.

Let me make myself clear with the following. At Monza the downforce limit will be reached at a far higher top speed than in, for example, Monaco. Therefore teams would race with relatively more downforce and drag in Monaco than on Monza.
It is not so important to worry about individual race configurations if you get the basic aero config right. Lets say they generate 80% of a significantly lower downforce with the GE floor by using tunnels. There would still be small wings necessary to provide fine tuning and some stability of downforce in yaw conditions.

To force a limited downforce you could reduce the fuel flow significantly to cut power further. Or if you want an overpowered car - which would be good for the show - you can introduce a spec floor and limit the wing forces. It is no big deal to require force measurement in the wing supports. The wing forces could be defined in a uniform way or individually per circuit. It would also be possible to measure downforce at the four wheels if you eliminate the variable fuel weight and the dynamic inertial forces. Both can be determined very accurately in an F1 car.

So there are several ways to do it if the power that be decide the time has come to be rational about aero.
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WhiteBlue wrote:
Blackout wrote:Do you think if ground effect returns, the cars will keep the 'coke bottle' shape?
I think that will be unlikely. Presumably they will scrap the stepped bottom rule and allow tunnels for 80% of the downforce. The side pots are supposed to come more forward to generate front downforce and protect the driver. There will also be a mandatory chassis section to enable front wheel KERS.

With the tunnel diffusor between the gearbox and the wheels they need more height than they have now. This should effectively finish the coke bottle design. At least that is my interpretation. Perhaps there are other opinions.
Ok Thanks.

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I personally think the coke bottle shape will be kept, only the way it is done will be different, afterall this shape increases df for less drag
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Yes. After all the GP2 and FR 3.5 have greater venturi tunnels and skirts... so why not the F1.

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Forgive me if this isn't the right thread, but I'd like to ask a few questions regarding the use of KERS and DRS for this season.

1. Can you use Kers to defend your position in the "overtaking zone"?
2. Can you use Kers in conjuction with the DRS?

Sorry if these questions seem silly, but I'm a little confused with the new regulations... :?