Williams FW33

[PlatinumZealot]

I know ,germans can be stubborn,but anyways let´s give it a try.
Tim I see where you are coming from .You are looking just at the pilar with those two links attached to it...In my view that is about half the story going on here.
I´m not sure if you have played around with multi adjustable double wishbone shim arrangements and if there is a displacement of the rear pickup point in x it would have a rather drastic influence on the whole geometry ,caster, bumpsteer and what have you,as the upright svivel has to move as well. This is not a single plane camber stiffness thing -if it is one at all in real world.I ´d think they have a few guys to do the maths before teasing us with the sight of this .

Im talking about lateral deflections since thats the weakest direction.

I spent all last year working in Germany. Germans are stubborn because they are usually right. And I now agree with you that the toe will change when the vertical post flexes.

I'm sure that the vertical post is stiff. But to the people saying the deflection is negligble I simply don't believe it. Deflections of the mountings to a solid gearbox casing are perhaps negligble because of the massive area moment of interia it has against bending. But this thing does not have that, PLUS its made of titanium which is half as stiff as steel. However, I'm sure that the overall design deals with it adequately.


Tim

I think you could lift a truck up with that thing! Take a really high impact to deflect that tree stump.

[Belatti]

Does some one thinks that the FW33 has this kind of gearbox?



Just kiddin´

[dan]

Take a look at this big picture of the rear-end:



Lot of things to see.

if you look to the end of the diffuser on the left and go up a bit - is that half an exhaust pipe you can see?

[wrcsti]

I believe it is. Also notice how the fins on the difuser are on both the bottom and top of it.

[Formula None]

Also notice how the fins on the difuser are on both the bottom and top of it.

Interesting.

I can't wait till we can see that transmission sitting out for service in the paddock.

[Hangaku]

Take a look at this big picture of the rear-end:



Lot of things to see.

Not least of all that the tires are heavily blistered. Uh oh...

[i70q7m7ghw]

Take a look at this big picture of the rear-end:
Lot of things to see.

Not least of all that the tires are heavily blistered. Uh oh...

Looks more like pickup to me.

[adrianjordan]

Take a look at this big picture of the rear-end:



Lot of things to see.

Not least of all that the tires are heavily blistered. Uh oh...

Yes but what you can't see is how many laps they've done to get in that state...

[dan]

I believe it is. Also notice how the fins on the difuser are on both the bottom and top of it.

thats interesting

What I don't get is it seems they are blowing the exhaust thru the sides of the diffuser like redbull but why does the redbull need to channel it thru the floor?

[Tim.Wright]

Not least of all that the tires are heavily blistered. Uh oh...

Where.

[PlatinumZealot]

I believe it is. Also notice how the fins on the difuser are on both the bottom and top of it.

thats interesting

What I don't get is it seems they are blowing the exhaust thru the sides of the diffuser like redbull but why does the redbull need to channel it thru the floor?

They don't. what you say were just little guide tubes. The TF110 uses a solution like that, but it wasn't blown by the exhaust. Torro rosso is the one that channels exhaust through the floor.

[Richard]

Torro rosso is the one that channels exhaust through the floor.

RB have also tried ducting the exhaust along the floor

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[hud]

FW33 rear end looks very very thight. =D> but the area above the floor just before difusser's trailing edge looks not as 'clean' as red bull one. It looks like williams aerodynamicist focusing on beam wing over area above the floor, while red bull the other way around. right? which one is more important; clean air over the floor or clean air to beam wing?

[Pandamasque]

Does some one thinks that the FW33 has this kind of gearbox?

That was my first thought too! It must be magic operated.

[Raptor22]

Camber compliance? no ,thats not the only issue if the Wing pillar is moving under load the rear will experience side load steering as the front wishbone fixing points will reamin where they are ,just both rear inside top mounting points will flex giving some negative camber to the outer wheel (positive camber on the inner one,but also toe out on the outer and toe in on the inner one -with the toe links fixed to the same pillar .(maybe one could look into Arnings concepts and make use of all this?)
But how much of flexing will it show? the thing(pilar) is a bolt on to the gearbox and the leverage is considerable..

The wing pillar doesnot see much of the side load during cornering.

The side forces are handled by the lower control arm, the pull rod and the drive axle.
The upper wishbone sees very little side force. It merely acts as a upper control arm